Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone


 

It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta


Christy S <christys1075@...>
 

Have you considered porting to android? My understanding is it's a ton less hassle, and would be appreciated by those of us on that platform. I'd hate for all that hard work to go to waste.

On 8/17/2021 3:41 PM, FlickType wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta




Chuck Dean
 

Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta






Christy S <christys1075@...>
 

You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.



On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta






Ed Worrell <ed.worrell@...>
 

I agree with Chuck on this one.

It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.

The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.

I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.


Ed

On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@gmail.com> wrote:

You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.





On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.

I also defended Flicktype like a lioness defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe Our 1961 Vespa 400





On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@flicktype.com> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta





Gordon
 

I just wonder what happens to this keyboard. Is the software going to be sold to someone who might bring it back or does it just disappear forever? I would try to sell it instead of just throwing it away and never using it again. It's the most powerful peace of software I've ever used on a mobile phone. 

On 8/17/2021 5:21 PM, Christy S wrote:

You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.



On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta






JP Shandra <blindambition777@...>
 

This is why the blind community can’t have nice things. A developer is only as good as what you can give ME. Tearing down a developer who poured hours and years into an accessible keyboard, when others haven’t…. Get off your entitled bitch asses. Go build one, good luck!
So tired of the entitled Apple apologists. I won’t claim to know both sides, but Apple is known to fuck people over and over. So I place blame with their monopolistic approach.
I now remember why I no longer belong to blind groups, even though I’m completely blind. A good ratio are a complete embarrassment, and contribute to our many challenges.
Thank you Kosta, along with Ashley, for your time and dedication. I’m embarrassed to say this, but the sighted community might show more appreciation. There’s clearly some here in the group who will be there when things are good, and kick you when you no longer serve their needs.
My best to you and your family.
JP

On Aug 17, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

I agree with Chuck on this one.

It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.

The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.

I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.


Ed

On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@gmail.com> wrote:

You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.





On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.

I also defended Flicktype like a lioness defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe Our 1961 Vespa 400





On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@flicktype.com> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta









Ed Worrell <ed.worrell@...>
 

Fuck you, you little bitch. Get off your fucking lazy ass and build a keyboard.

I’ll wait.

On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:57 PM, JP Shandra <blindambition777@gmail.com> wrote:

This is why the blind community can’t have nice things. A developer is only as good as what you can give ME. Tearing down a developer who poured hours and years into an accessible keyboard, when others haven’t…. Get off your entitled bitch asses. Go build one, good luck!
So tired of the entitled Apple apologists. I won’t claim to know both sides, but Apple is known to fuck people over and over. So I place blame with their monopolistic approach.
I now remember why I no longer belong to blind groups, even though I’m completely blind. A good ratio are a complete embarrassment, and contribute to our many challenges.
Thank you Kosta, along with Ashley, for your time and dedication. I’m embarrassed to say this, but the sighted community might show more appreciation. There’s clearly some here in the group who will be there when things are good, and kick you when you no longer serve their needs.
My best to you and your family.
JP

On Aug 17, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

I agree with Chuck on this one.

It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.

The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.

I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.


Ed

On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@gmail.com> wrote:
You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.





On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.

I also defended Flicktype like a lioness defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe Our 1961 Vespa 400





On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@flicktype.com> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta












George Cham
 

I’m not the Lyft moderator.
But this language is not necessary on this list or any other list.
If you have any gradients or want to use foul    language take it off list. The developer has made the tough decision to withdraw the app, because of the Apple policy and the frustrations that they have faced.

kind regards,

George Cham


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 9:33:40 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone
 
Fuck you, you little bitch. Get off your fucking lazy ass and build a keyboard.

I’ll wait.
> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:57 PM, JP Shandra <blindambition777@...> wrote:
>
> This is why the blind community can’t have nice things. A developer is only as good as what you can give ME. Tearing down a developer who poured hours and years into an accessible keyboard, when others haven’t…. Get off your entitled bitch asses. Go build one, good luck!
> So tired of the entitled Apple apologists. I won’t claim to know both sides, but Apple is known to fuck people over and over. So I place blame with their monopolistic approach.
> I now remember why I no longer belong to blind groups, even though I’m completely blind. A good ratio are a complete embarrassment, and contribute to our many challenges.
> Thank you Kosta, along with Ashley, for your time and dedication. I’m embarrassed to say this, but the sighted community might show more appreciation. There’s clearly some here in the group who will be there when things are good, and kick you when you no longer serve their needs.
> My best to you and your family.
> JP
>
>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Chuck on this one.
>>
>> It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
>> Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements  in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.
>>
>> The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.
>>
>> I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.
>>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.
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>>>> On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>>> Hello Kosta,
>>>> This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
>>>> Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
>>>> After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
>>>> Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
>>>>
>>>> I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.
>>>>
>>>> When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
>>>> When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the         revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
>>>> Your answer was “bingo”.
>>>>
>>>> I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
>>>> I hate when I’m wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>>
>>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe       Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
>>>> It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.
>>>>
>>>> Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to           everyone who has supported us over the years:
>>>>
>>>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFlickType%2Fstatus%2F1427292830523744257%3Fs%3D20&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C51f957c6c70445739ade08d961d77c60%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637648400403464106%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=dzZdcpjJ1ud%2BoiJU7HqlCi3fXpdEXWjrcbY1Mw17pRM%3D&amp;reserved=0
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Christy S <christys1075@...>
 

Some people clearly don't know how to state their thoughts in a mature and adult fashion. At least the original poster didn't resort to that.

I'll be leaving this list anyway because there's no real point to remaining on it, but I'll leave everyone with this thought.

If you tear down developers for decisions they make after years of work, what motivation do they have to do anything to help us use their apps in the future? Do you also use this same antagonistic approach when reporting accessibility issues? If not, I'm hardly surprised the response isn't a positive one. As someone who hopes to release blindness related computer software in the future, there are certain folks in the community I will be a lot more wary to work with because, frankly, I don't need verbal abuse, insults, or to try to please someone who is always going to shoot off at the mouth. No one does.


On 8/17/2021 7:38 PM, George Cham wrote:
I’m not the Lyft moderator.
But this language is not necessary on this list or any other list.
If you have any gradients or want to use foul    language take it off list. The developer has made the tough decision to withdraw the app, because of the Apple policy and the frustrations that they have faced.

kind regards,

George Cham

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 9:33:40 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone
 
Fuck you, you little bitch. Get off your fucking lazy ass and build a keyboard.

I’ll wait.
> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:57 PM, JP Shandra <blindambition777@...> wrote:
>
> This is why the blind community can’t have nice things. A developer is only as good as what you can give ME. Tearing down a developer who poured hours and years into an accessible keyboard, when others haven’t…. Get off your entitled bitch asses. Go build one, good luck!
> So tired of the entitled Apple apologists. I won’t claim to know both sides, but Apple is known to fuck people over and over. So I place blame with their monopolistic approach.
> I now remember why I no longer belong to blind groups, even though I’m completely blind. A good ratio are a complete embarrassment, and contribute to our many challenges.
> Thank you Kosta, along with Ashley, for your time and dedication. I’m embarrassed to say this, but the sighted community might show more appreciation. There’s clearly some here in the group who will be there when things are good, and kick you when you no longer serve their needs.
> My best to you and your family.
> JP
>
>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Chuck on this one.
>>
>> It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
>> Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements  in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.
>>
>> The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.
>>
>> I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.
>>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>>> Hello Kosta,
>>>> This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
>>>> Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
>>>> After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
>>>> Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
>>>>
>>>> I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.
>>>>
>>>> When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
>>>> When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the         revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
>>>> Your answer was “bingo”.
>>>>
>>>> I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
>>>> I hate when I’m wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>>
>>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe       Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
>>>> It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.
>>>>
>>>> Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to           everyone who has supported us over the years:
>>>>
>>>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFlickType%2Fstatus%2F1427292830523744257%3Fs%3D20&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C51f957c6c70445739ade08d961d77c60%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637648400403464106%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=dzZdcpjJ1ud%2BoiJU7HqlCi3fXpdEXWjrcbY1Mw17pRM%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>
>>>> - Kosta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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William James
 

You can thank Apple and the business practices they currently pull. Kosta’s app isn’t the only one that has gotten the shaft with no lube.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

I agree with Chuck on this one.

It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.

The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.

I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.


Ed

On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@gmail.com> wrote:

You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.





On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.

I also defended Flicktype like a lioness defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe Our 1961 Vespa 400





On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@flicktype.com> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta









George Cham
 

There’s no point me remaining on the list.
I will be unsubscribing.

kind regards,

George Cham


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of William James <wil@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 11:58:16 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone
 
You can thank Apple and the business practices they currently pull.  Kosta’s app isn’t the only one that has gotten the shaft with no lube.


Pro Max

> On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Chuck on this one.
>
> It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
> Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements  in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.
>
> The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.
>
> I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.
>
>
> Ed
>
>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@...> wrote:
>>
>> You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>> Hello Kosta,
>>> This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
>>> Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
>>> After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
>>> Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
>>>
>>> I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.
>>>
>>> When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
>>> When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the         revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
>>> Your answer was “bingo”.
>>>
>>> I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
>>> I hate when I’m wrong.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>
>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe       Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
>>> It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.
>>>
>>> Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.
>>>
>>> Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to           everyone who has supported us over the years:
>>>
>>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFlickType%2Fstatus%2F1427292830523744257%3Fs%3D20&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C4df00a78a38e4e502e3c08d961ebefec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637648488241924315%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=2HsGI5SoQLiKA8zCJ%2BclxmeUrlzW0vY2jPxsIlzMgKQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>
>>> - Kosta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>







William James
 

I think you hurt Ed’s feelings.  NFB maybe?

Anyway, Apple is taking people’s money, developers and customers alike.  Also, don’t forget they are taking their share on Apple Music by not charging what others need to charge to break even.  They are literally stealing customers from other services.  Sure, it is their own store, so the tired old argument remains;they can do what they want.  It’s not morally right.


Pro Max

On Aug 17, 2021, at 10:02 PM, George Cham <George.cham@...> wrote:


There’s no point me remaining on the list.
I will be unsubscribing.

kind regards,

George Cham

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of William James <wil@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 11:58:16 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone
 
You can thank Apple and the business practices they currently pull.  Kosta’s app isn’t the only one that has gotten the shaft with no lube.


Pro Max

> On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Chuck on this one.
>
> It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
> Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements  in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.
>
> The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.
>
> I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.
>
>
> Ed
>
>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@...> wrote:
>>
>> You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>> Hello Kosta,
>>> This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
>>> Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
>>> After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
>>> Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
>>>
>>> I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.
>>>
>>> When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
>>> When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the         revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
>>> Your answer was “bingo”.
>>>
>>> I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
>>> I hate when I’m wrong.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>
>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe       Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
>>> It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.
>>>
>>> Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.
>>>
>>> Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to           everyone who has supported us over the years:
>>>
>>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFlickType%2Fstatus%2F1427292830523744257%3Fs%3D20&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C4df00a78a38e4e502e3c08d961ebefec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637648488241924315%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=2HsGI5SoQLiKA8zCJ%2BclxmeUrlzW0vY2jPxsIlzMgKQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>
>>> - Kosta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>







Sameer Vasta
 

Hi all

 

Just my 2 pennies worth regarding this subject – Wouldn’t a solution be to rather work with the jailbreak community instead of discontinuing Flictype completely?  This method would allow the developers freedom to operate without any restrictions from Apple’s side whilst still being of benefit to all of us.

 

I will obviously also try and keep Flictype on my device for as long as I possibly can because I honestly cant imagine what I will do without it.

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2021 04:11
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

 

I think you hurt Ed’s feelings.  NFB maybe?

 

Anyway, Apple is taking people’s money, developers and customers alike.  Also, don’t forget they are taking their share on Apple Music by not charging what others need to charge to break even.  They are literally stealing customers from other services.  Sure, it is their own store, so the tired old argument remains;they can do what they want.  It’s not morally right.

 

Pro Max



On Aug 17, 2021, at 10:02 PM, George Cham <George.cham@...> wrote:



There’s no point me remaining on the list.

I will be unsubscribing.

 

kind regards,

 

George Cham


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of William James <wil@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 11:58:16 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

 

You can thank Apple and the business practices they currently pull.  Kosta’s app isn’t the only one that has gotten the shaft with no lube.


Pro Max

> On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Chuck on this one.
>
> It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
> Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements  in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.
>
> The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.
>
> I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.
>
>
> Ed
>
>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@...> wrote:
>>
>> You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>> Hello Kosta,
>>> This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
>>> Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
>>> After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
>>> Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
>>>
>>> I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.
>>>
>>> When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
>>> When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the         revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
>>> Your answer was “bingo”.
>>>
>>> I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
>>> I hate when I’m wrong.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>
>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe       Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
>>> It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.
>>>
>>> Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.
>>>
>>> Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to           everyone who has supported us over the years:
>>>
>>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFlickType%2Fstatus%2F1427292830523744257%3Fs%3D20&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C4df00a78a38e4e502e3c08d961ebefec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637648488241924315%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=2HsGI5SoQLiKA8zCJ%2BclxmeUrlzW0vY2jPxsIlzMgKQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>
>>> - Kosta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Jean-Philippe Rykiel
 

Kosta.

This is sad indeed, I loved this app, even though I was a little disappointed that it was not brought into other languages. Anyway, is there anything the users community can do to make you change your mind? Like showing Apple How much this app matters to us, in case this would have changed anything. I know this might sound a little naïve, but have you tried?

Cheers,

JPR


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Le 18/08/2021 à 07:27, Sameer Vasta a écrit :

Hi all

 

Just my 2 pennies worth regarding this subject – Wouldn’t a solution be to rather work with the jailbreak community instead of discontinuing Flictype completely?  This method would allow the developers freedom to operate without any restrictions from Apple’s side whilst still being of benefit to all of us.

 

I will obviously also try and keep Flictype on my device for as long as I possibly can because I honestly cant imagine what I will do without it.

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2021 04:11
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

 

I think you hurt Ed’s feelings.  NFB maybe?

 

Anyway, Apple is taking people’s money, developers and customers alike.  Also, don’t forget they are taking their share on Apple Music by not charging what others need to charge to break even.  They are literally stealing customers from other services.  Sure, it is their own store, so the tired old argument remains;they can do what they want.  It’s not morally right.

 

Pro Max



On Aug 17, 2021, at 10:02 PM, George Cham <George.cham@...> wrote:



There’s no point me remaining on the list.

I will be unsubscribing.

 

kind regards,

 

George Cham


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of William James <wil@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 11:58:16 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

 

You can thank Apple and the business practices they currently pull.  Kosta’s app isn’t the only one that has gotten the shaft with no lube.


Pro Max

> On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Chuck on this one.
>
> It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
> Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements  in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.
>
> The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.
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> I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.
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> Ed
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>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@...> wrote:
>>
>> You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.
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>>> On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>> Hello Kosta,
>>> This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
>>> Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
>>> After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
>>> Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
>>>
>>> I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.
>>>
>>> When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
>>> When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the         revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
>>> Your answer was “bingo”.
>>>
>>> I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
>>> I hate when I’m wrong.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>
>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe       Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
>>> It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.
>>>
>>> Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.
>>>
>>> Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to           everyone who has supported us over the years:
>>>
>>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFlickType%2Fstatus%2F1427292830523744257%3Fs%3D20&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C4df00a78a38e4e502e3c08d961ebefec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637648488241924315%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=2HsGI5SoQLiKA8zCJ%2BclxmeUrlzW0vY2jPxsIlzMgKQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>
>>> - Kosta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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George Cham
 

Hi Coster
I would like to   echo chucks comment. Along with him, I became a  alpha and beta tester and moderator of the alpha group.
With  chuck,  we helped you test and  develop the app    and make it successful and profitable And also give blind and vision impaired people a typing experience like no other. it is sad, that you have decided to pull the app from the App Store, and your battles with Apple I’m sure we’ll go on.
I hope that in the future, you will bring back the app bigger and better than ever.
And perhaps resurrect this group again.
I did say that I would unsubscribe earlier, but upon reflection I will remain on the list just in case flick type does come back. 

kind regards,

George Cham Get Outlook for iOS


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of Chuck Dean <cadean329@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 8:08:02 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone
 
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta






Shawn Krasniuk <bbsshawn@...>
 

Hi Kosta, Chuck and others. Kosta, I share the same sentiments as Chuck. This app has basically changed the way I use my iPhone for the good. When I first heard about it from my friend Helena when it was still in its infancy as just a beta, I jumped at the opportunity to join the beta testing team and installed it on my iPhone. It solidified as a main stable of my phone after I had you on my radio show, Accessibility Matters. I basically used dictation maybe a few times while using this app, and before I was using dictation basically all the time because typing on the iOS keyboard for me is very slow, even when I'm using touch typing. And now I hear that this app won't be developed anymore. I'm a little saddened by this news, but I realize that you've taken a lot of abuse from Apple and I don't blame you for this decision. I was really hoping though that an update would've been released for us testing iOS 15 as there are issues with typing feedback. For example, sometimes Flicktype will just say the last letter of a word when flicking down through the choices of words, such as O for when you flick down to get the word hello. Deleting words doesn't speak all the time either, you just get either it saying space or end of text. So for users of Flicktype, if you desperately need this app, I would recommend not updating to iOS 15 as it won't work properly.
Now as for what I said in my previous paragraph about me not blaming Kosta, this doesn't mean that I blame Apple. This doesn't mean that I'm an Apple fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I'm mad at Apple for how they're treating a helpful Mac app that I use every day and I prefer it over the stupid notification center, but I realize that it is what it is. I realize that I'm a part of a minority which is the blind community and unfortunately we don't get the same treatment as the sighted folks. But that doesn't mean that I need to act entitled and throw a temper tantrum like a 3 year old who has just been told that he/she can't have candy right now. Believe me, there's a lot of things I'd like to have happen like finally having accessibility in video games, but realistically that may not happen in my lifetime. I can hope for it though, but demanding that it happen right now isn't realistic. So in the meantime, I'll keep putting the word out that we are people too, we just can't see.
As for the debate about Apple vs. Android, I've used an Android before and I will never switch to one for personal use. I found Talkback very clunky. Also, I have both a Mac and an Apple Watch so I don't want to screw up my perfect setup. I guess what I'm trying to say is if Flicktype does eventually stop working altogether, I'll manage. Hell, I did it before with using dictation. If I have to, I'll use it again or maybe buy a Bluetooth keyboard and be like one of those people in the visually impaired community who has to lug it around in a bag or something. It's not the end of the world, just the end of an era.

Regards,
Shawn,
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On Aug 17, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean <cadean329@...> wrote:

Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta







Jessica D
 

Hi Shaun,

First, I'll apologize, just in case, I misspelled your name. 

I was going to say, "what if you used braille screen input?" 

I'm using it right now, to type this message. 

For the most part, it works well. 
Sometimes though, if I do the delete last typed word, (2 finger flick left) or a new line (2-finger flick right) It gets misinterpreted and results in the rotor changing, and voiceover announcing  "stopping braille screen input." 
From there, you're put back in the text field, most likely at the bottom, of the field you were in, which for me, right now, is the body of this email message. 
So far, braille screen input hasn't crashed once, since I began typing this message. 
I can type very quickly with it. 

Please feel free to contact me offlist, at jldail13@..., if you have any questions, or would like to discuss this further. 

Thanks,

Jessica



On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:54 AM, Shawn Krasniuk via groups.io <bbsshawn@...> wrote:

 Hi Kosta, Chuck and others. Kosta, I share the same sentiments as Chuck. This app has basically changed the way I use my iPhone for the good. When I first heard about it from my friend Helena when it was still in its infancy as just a beta, I jumped at the opportunity to join the beta testing team and installed it on my iPhone. It solidified as a main stable of my phone after I had you on my radio show, Accessibility Matters. I basically used dictation maybe a few times while using this app, and before I was using dictation basically all the time because typing on the iOS keyboard for me is very slow, even when I'm using touch typing. And now I hear that this app won't be developed anymore. I'm a little saddened by this news, but I realize that you've taken a lot of abuse from Apple and I don't blame you for this decision. I was really hoping though that an update would've been released for us testing iOS 15 as there are issues with typing feedback. For example, sometimes Flicktype will just say the last letter of a word when flicking down through the choices of words, such as O for when you flick down to get the word hello. Deleting words doesn't speak all the time either, you just get either it saying space or end of text. So for users of Flicktype, if you desperately need this app, I would recommend not updating to iOS 15 as it won't work properly.
Now as for what I said in my previous paragraph about me not blaming Kosta, this doesn't mean that I blame Apple. This doesn't mean that I'm an Apple fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I'm mad at Apple for how they're treating a helpful Mac app that I use every day and I prefer it over the stupid notification center, but I realize that it is what it is. I realize that I'm a part of a minority which is the blind community and unfortunately we don't get the same treatment as the sighted folks. But that doesn't mean that I need to act entitled and throw a temper tantrum like a 3 year old who has just been told that he/she can't have candy right now. Believe me, there's a lot of things I'd like to have happen like finally having accessibility in video games, but realistically that may not happen in my lifetime. I can hope for it though, but demanding that it happen right now isn't realistic. So in the meantime, I'll keep putting the word out that we are people too, we just can't see.
As for the debate about Apple vs. Android, I've used an Android before and I will never switch to one for personal use. I found Talkback very clunky. Also, I have both a Mac and an Apple Watch so I don't want to screw up my perfect setup. I guess what I'm trying to say is if Flicktype does eventually stop working altogether, I'll manage. Hell, I did it before with using dictation. If I have to, I'll use it again or maybe buy a Bluetooth keyboard and be like one of those people in the visually impaired community who has to lug it around in a bag or something. It's not the end of the world, just the end of an era.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

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On Aug 17, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean <cadean329@...> wrote:

Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta







Daniel McGee
 

Like others, I'm tsad to see this keyboard leave the app store. Kosta and Ashley, is there any chance you can open source the: FlickType code? So that people with the knowledge and know how can build upon this app and keep it alive expand it to other platforms etc.

I have tried other methods of typing on IOS and none are nowhere near to my satisfaction of keyboard input.
Going to feel really lost if it really does go away. It was kinda why I brought an iPhone in the first place.   

 

On 19 Aug 2021, at 14:25, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

 Hi Shaun,

First, I'll apologize, just in case, I misspelled your name. 

I was going to say, "what if you used braille screen input?" 

I'm using it right now, to type this message. 

For the most part, it works well. 
Sometimes though, if I do the delete last typed word, (2 finger flick left) or a new line (2-finger flick right) It gets misinterpreted and results in the rotor changing, and voiceover announcing  "stopping braille screen input." 
From there, you're put back in the text field, most likely at the bottom, of the field you were in, which for me, right now, is the body of this email message. 
So far, braille screen input hasn't crashed once, since I began typing this message. 
I can type very quickly with it. 

Please feel free to contact me offlist, at jldail13@..., if you have any questions, or would like to discuss this further. 

Thanks,

Jessica



On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:54 AM, Shawn Krasniuk via groups.io <bbsshawn@...> wrote:

 Hi Kosta, Chuck and others. Kosta, I share the same sentiments as Chuck. This app has basically changed the way I use my iPhone for the good. When I first heard about it from my friend Helena when it was still in its infancy as just a beta, I jumped at the opportunity to join the beta testing team and installed it on my iPhone. It solidified as a main stable of my phone after I had you on my radio show, Accessibility Matters. I basically used dictation maybe a few times while using this app, and before I was using dictation basically all the time because typing on the iOS keyboard for me is very slow, even when I'm using touch typing. And now I hear that this app won't be developed anymore. I'm a little saddened by this news, but I realize that you've taken a lot of abuse from Apple and I don't blame you for this decision. I was really hoping though that an update would've been released for us testing iOS 15 as there are issues with typing feedback. For example, sometimes Flicktype will just say the last letter of a word when flicking down through the choices of words, such as O for when you flick down to get the word hello. Deleting words doesn't speak all the time either, you just get either it saying space or end of text. So for users of Flicktype, if you desperately need this app, I would recommend not updating to iOS 15 as it won't work properly.
Now as for what I said in my previous paragraph about me not blaming Kosta, this doesn't mean that I blame Apple. This doesn't mean that I'm an Apple fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I'm mad at Apple for how they're treating a helpful Mac app that I use every day and I prefer it over the stupid notification center, but I realize that it is what it is. I realize that I'm a part of a minority which is the blind community and unfortunately we don't get the same treatment as the sighted folks. But that doesn't mean that I need to act entitled and throw a temper tantrum like a 3 year old who has just been told that he/she can't have candy right now. Believe me, there's a lot of things I'd like to have happen like finally having accessibility in video games, but realistically that may not happen in my lifetime. I can hope for it though, but demanding that it happen right now isn't realistic. So in the meantime, I'll keep putting the word out that we are people too, we just can't see.
As for the debate about Apple vs. Android, I've used an Android before and I will never switch to one for personal use. I found Talkback very clunky. Also, I have both a Mac and an Apple Watch so I don't want to screw up my perfect setup. I guess what I'm trying to say is if Flicktype does eventually stop working altogether, I'll manage. Hell, I did it before with using dictation. If I have to, I'll use it again or maybe buy a Bluetooth keyboard and be like one of those people in the visually impaired community who has to lug it around in a bag or something. It's not the end of the world, just the end of an era.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

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On Aug 17, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean <cadean329@...> wrote:

Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta