On Jan 5, 2021, at 3:38 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:

Hi Benny,

I don't know if running FlickType on an iOS 13.x device versus running it on an iOS 14.x device as I am makes any difference in rotor availability. Maybe someone else running iOS 13.x can comment on rotor availability. When I'm in FlickType full screen mode running iOS 14.3 and do the rotor "turn the radio dial" gesture, Voiceover immediately speaks the current rotor item. I assume you have the rotor turned on and available with other apps so it should also be available in FlickType full screen mode. I've heard that some folks have trouble doing the rotor gesture but I'm assuming that isn't your issue. If you continue to have problems accessing the rotor in FlickType full screen mode, I'd recommend you call Apple Accessibility at 877-204-3930 while they are connected to your device and maybe they can figure something out.

Good luck.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benny Barber
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2021 2:08 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Alan,
I use flicktype in full screen. I have never been able to pull up the rotor when FlickType is open. I wanted to test your instructions with direct touch typing and cannot pull up the rotor. I am running iOS 13.6 on a 6S. Of course I do not have the issues that you are addressing because I have not upgraded iOS to 14 yet. I just wanted to see if I could pull up the rotor while flicktype was in full screen. Can you enlighten me on how to do so. Thank you.
Benny

On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:31 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:

?Hi Joe,

I'll post again what I'm doing to successfully use the latest beta version of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.3. First, let me say that FlickType on iOS 14.3 has the following two problems that I consistently experience:

1.      When I begin text entry for example with the Messages app, my default on screen keyboard is US English. . I typically place focus in the text box and double tap to bring up the on screen US English keyboard. I then place my finger on the spacebar in the bottom middle of the screen and slide left past the dictate button until focus is on the next keyboard button. If FlickType is announced as the next keyboard, I should be able to double tap anywhere on the screen to open my FlickType keyboard in full screen mode. However, this does not happen normally. I've been unable to trust the next keyboard that Voiceover speaks as what will open. Instead, when the next keyboard button has focus, I double tap and hold on the screen and slide my finger up until FlickType is spoken and then I release. FlickType will always open in full screen mode when I use this method.

2.      In later iOS 13 versions, FlickType would automatically launch in direct touch mode and work as it's supposed to. This is not the case with iOS 14 at least not with my system. I realize these devices have gotten extremely powerful with a wealth of settings that can vary greatly among devices which can affect our results. However, I believe FlickType and iOS 14 have some incompatibility issue which requires users to turn direct touch on in order for FlickType to work correctly, If this is not done, typing with the FlickType keyboard does not work for me and I also can't close the keyboard or switch to a different keyboard.  Read below for the steps I use to work around this issue with the minimum number of gestures.

Here is what I do when I'm typing a text message to successfully use FlickType in full screen mode with the least number of gestures:

1.      I double tap in the Messages text box to open the on screen US English keyboard which is my default.

2.      I place focus in the bottom middle of the screen on the spacebar and slide to the left until the next keyboard button has focus.

3.      I single finger double tap and hold and slide my finger up until I hear FlickType and then release.

4.      The FlickType keyboard opens in full screen mode.

5.      I place my finger in the bottom left corner of the screen where I hear FlickType.

6.      I do one rotor clockwise gesture. I do a counter clockwise  rotor gesture until I hear direct touch which is usually after only one time. I single finger swipe down once and Voiceover says on.

7.      FlickType now types as it should and as it always did under iOS 13.2 or so without all of these direct touch shenanigans.

8.      I single finger slide up and hold to close FlickType and return to my default US English keyboard.

I hope the above makes sense to others and works for you as it does for me. Hopefully, one of the upcoming iOS versions will return FlickType functioning to how it used to at the end of iOS 13.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco

Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:00 PM

To: hello@flicktype.groups.io

Subject: Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer need it? Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can neither type in it nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing this up, about the different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips to get rid of it from the screen.--Joe

On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly < <mailto:walemly@...> walemly@...> wrote:

Hi Pete,

I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since

originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard

mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining

vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can

consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.

Alan Lemly

with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l> https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS

________________________________

From:  <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf

of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@...> ptorpey00@...>

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM

To:  <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>

Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:

[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or

in the normal mode.  Is the performance or useability more robust in

one mode than another?  I have never used the full screen mode and

sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having

to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able

to get to certain items in the messages app.

--Pete

-----Original Message-----

From:  <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf

Of Eileen Misrahi

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM

To:  <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io

Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,

but it didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone

On Jan 5, 2021, at 4:12 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi Pete,

What I intended to say in my previous note was that I use the standard US English keyboard as my default and use it for entering short text such as passwords and search terms. I'm not aware of a shortcut for switching between the FlickType full screen keyboard and the FlickType regular sized keyboard. This has to be done through the FlickType settings as far as I'm aware and takes a few steps.

Alan Lemly 

with Outlook for iOS

---

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of Peter Torpey <ptorpey00@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 2:20:55 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

 

In a previous note you mentioned that you use the flicktype on screen keyboard for entering short text as for a password but that for most typing you use the flicktype full screen keyboard.  Is there an easy way of switching back and forth between the on screen and full screen keyboard for Flicktype?

Thanks.

--Pete


-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benny Barber
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 1:08 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Alan,
I use flicktype in full screen. I have never been able to pull up the rotor when FlickType is open. I wanted to test your instructions with direct touch typing and cannot pull up the rotor. I am running iOS 13.6 on a 6S. Of course I do not have the issues that you are addressing because I have not upgraded iOS to 14 yet. I just wanted to see if I could pull up the rotor while flicktype was in full screen. Can you enlighten me on how to do so. Thank you.
Benny

> On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:31 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
>
>
> I'll post again what I'm doing to successfully use the latest beta version of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.3. First, let me say that FlickType on iOS 14.3 has the following two problems that I consistently experience:
>
>
>
> 1.      When I begin text entry for example with the Messages app, my default on screen keyboard is US English. . I typically place focus in the text box and double tap to bring up the on screen US English keyboard. I then place my finger on the spacebar in the bottom middle of the screen and slide left past the dictate button until focus is on the next keyboard button. If FlickType is announced as the next keyboard, I should be able to double tap anywhere on the screen to open my FlickType keyboard in full screen mode. However, this does not happen normally. I've been unable to trust the next keyboard that Voiceover speaks as what will open. Instead, when the next keyboard button has focus, I double tap and hold on the screen and slide my finger up until FlickType is spoken and then I release. FlickType will always open in full screen mode when I use this method.
>
> 2.      In later iOS 13 versions, FlickType would automatically launch in direct touch mode and work as it's supposed to. This is not the case with iOS 14 at least not with my system. I realize these devices have gotten extremely powerful with a wealth of settings that can vary greatly among devices which can affect our results. However, I believe FlickType and iOS 14 have some incompatibility issue which requires users to turn direct touch on in order for FlickType to work correctly, If this is not done, typing with the FlickType keyboard does not work for me and I also can't close the keyboard or switch to a different keyboard.  Read below for the steps I use to work around this issue with the minimum number of gestures.
>
>
>
> Here is what I do when I'm typing a text message to successfully use FlickType in full screen mode with the least number of gestures:
>
>
>
> 1.      I double tap in the Messages text box to open the on screen US English keyboard which is my default.
>
> 2.      I place focus in the bottom middle of the screen on the spacebar and slide to the left until the next keyboard button has focus.
>
> 3.      I single finger double tap and hold and slide my finger up until I hear FlickType and then release.
>
> 4.      The FlickType keyboard opens in full screen mode.
>
> 5.      I place my finger in the bottom left corner of the screen where I hear FlickType.
>
> 6.      I do one rotor clockwise gesture. I do a counter clockwise  rotor gesture until I hear direct touch which is usually after only one time. I single finger swipe down once and Voiceover says on.
>
> 7.      FlickType now types as it should and as it always did under iOS 13.2 or so without all of these direct touch shenanigans.
>
> 8.      I single finger slide up and hold to close FlickType and return to my default US English keyboard.
>
>
>
> I hope the above makes sense to others and works for you as it does for me. Hopefully, one of the upcoming iOS versions will return FlickType functioning to how it used to at the end of iOS 13.
>
>
>
> Alan Lemly
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:00 PM
> To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
>
>
>
> Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer need it? Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can neither type in it nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing this up, about the different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips to get rid of it from the screen.--Joe
>
>
>
>> On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly < <mailto:walemly@...> walemly@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Pete,
>
>>
>
>> I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since
>
>> originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard
>
>> mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining
>
>> vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can
>
>> consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.
>
>>
>
>> Alan Lemly
>
>>
>
>> Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l> https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS
>
>> ________________________________
>
>> From:  <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf
>
>> of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@...> ptorpey00@...>
>
>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM
>
>> To:  <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>
>
>> Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:
>
>> [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
>
>>
>
>> Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or
>
>> in the normal mode.  Is the performance or useability more robust in
>
>> one mode than another?  I have never used the full screen mode and
>
>> sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having
>
>> to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able
>
>> to get to certain items in the messages app.
>
>>
>
>> --Pete
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From:  <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf
>
>> Of Eileen Misrahi
>
>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM
>
>> To:  <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io
>
>> Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
>
>>
>
>> Hi Alan,
>
>>
>
>> Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,
>
>> but it didn't at the time.
>
>>
>
>> Best,
>
>>
>
>> Best,Eileent from my iPhone
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi Pete,

I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since

originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard

mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining

vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can

consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; for iOS

________________________________

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf

of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>

Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:

[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or

in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in

one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and

sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having

to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able

to get to certain items in the messages app.

--Pete

-----Original Message-----

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf

Of Eileen Misrahi

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io

Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,

but it didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:31 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

?Hi Joe,



I'll post again what I'm doing to successfully use the latest beta version of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.3. First, let me say that FlickType on iOS 14.3 has the following two problems that I consistently experience:



1. When I begin text entry for example with the Messages app, my default on screen keyboard is US English. . I typically place focus in the text box and double tap to bring up the on screen US English keyboard. I then place my finger on the spacebar in the bottom middle of the screen and slide left past the dictate button until focus is on the next keyboard button. If FlickType is announced as the next keyboard, I should be able to double tap anywhere on the screen to open my FlickType keyboard in full screen mode. However, this does not happen normally. I've been unable to trust the next keyboard that Voiceover speaks as what will open. Instead, when the next keyboard button has focus, I double tap and hold on the screen and slide my finger up until FlickType is spoken and then I release. FlickType will always open in full screen mode when I use this method.

2. In later iOS 13 versions, FlickType would automatically launch in direct touch mode and work as it's supposed to. This is not the case with iOS 14 at least not with my system. I realize these devices have gotten extremely powerful with a wealth of settings that can vary greatly among devices which can affect our results. However, I believe FlickType and iOS 14 have some incompatibility issue which requires users to turn direct touch on in order for FlickType to work correctly, If this is not done, typing with the FlickType keyboard does not work for me and I also can't close the keyboard or switch to a different keyboard. Read below for the steps I use to work around this issue with the minimum number of gestures.



Here is what I do when I'm typing a text message to successfully use FlickType in full screen mode with the least number of gestures:



1. I double tap in the Messages text box to open the on screen US English keyboard which is my default.

2. I place focus in the bottom middle of the screen on the spacebar and slide to the left until the next keyboard button has focus.

3. I single finger double tap and hold and slide my finger up until I hear FlickType and then release.

4. The FlickType keyboard opens in full screen mode.

5. I place my finger in the bottom left corner of the screen where I hear FlickType.

6. I do one rotor clockwise gesture. I do a counter clockwise rotor gesture until I hear direct touch which is usually after only one time. I single finger swipe down once and Voiceover says on.

7. FlickType now types as it should and as it always did under iOS 13.2 or so without all of these direct touch shenanigans.

8. I single finger slide up and hold to close FlickType and return to my default US English keyboard.



I hope the above makes sense to others and works for you as it does for me. Hopefully, one of the upcoming iOS versions will return FlickType functioning to how it used to at the end of iOS 13.



Alan Lemly



-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:00 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party



Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer need it? Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can neither type in it nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing this up, about the different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips to get rid of it from the screen.--Joe

On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly < <mailto:walemly@gmail.com> walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Pete,

I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since

originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard

mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining

vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can

consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; for iOS

________________________________

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf

of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>

Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:

[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or

in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in

one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and

sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having

to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able

to get to certain items in the messages app.

--Pete

-----Original Message-----

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf

Of Eileen Misrahi

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io

Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,

but it didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:31 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Joe,



I'll post again what I'm doing to successfully use the latest beta version of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.3. First, let me say that FlickType on iOS 14.3 has the following two problems that I consistently experience:



1. When I begin text entry for example with the Messages app, my default on screen keyboard is US English. . I typically place focus in the text box and double tap to bring up the on screen US English keyboard. I then place my finger on the spacebar in the bottom middle of the screen and slide left past the dictate button until focus is on the next keyboard button. If FlickType is announced as the next keyboard, I should be able to double tap anywhere on the screen to open my FlickType keyboard in full screen mode. However, this does not happen normally. I've been unable to trust the next keyboard that Voiceover speaks as what will open. Instead, when the next keyboard button has focus, I double tap and hold on the screen and slide my finger up until FlickType is spoken and then I release. FlickType will always open in full screen mode when I use this method.

2. In later iOS 13 versions, FlickType would automatically launch in direct touch mode and work as it's supposed to. This is not the case with iOS 14 at least not with my system. I realize these devices have gotten extremely powerful with a wealth of settings that can vary greatly among devices which can affect our results. However, I believe FlickType and iOS 14 have some incompatibility issue which requires users to turn direct touch on in order for FlickType to work correctly, If this is not done, typing with the FlickType keyboard does not work for me and I also can't close the keyboard or switch to a different keyboard. Read below for the steps I use to work around this issue with the minimum number of gestures.



Here is what I do when I'm typing a text message to successfully use FlickType in full screen mode with the least number of gestures:



1. I double tap in the Messages text box to open the on screen US English keyboard which is my default.

2. I place focus in the bottom middle of the screen on the spacebar and slide to the left until the next keyboard button has focus.

3. I single finger double tap and hold and slide my finger up until I hear FlickType and then release.

4. The FlickType keyboard opens in full screen mode.

5. I place my finger in the bottom left corner of the screen where I hear FlickType.

6. I do one rotor clockwise gesture. I do a counter clockwise rotor gesture until I hear direct touch which is usually after only one time. I single finger swipe down once and Voiceover says on.

7. FlickType now types as it should and as it always did under iOS 13.2 or so without all of these direct touch shenanigans.

8. I single finger slide up and hold to close FlickType and return to my default US English keyboard.



I hope the above makes sense to others and works for you as it does for me. Hopefully, one of the upcoming iOS versions will return FlickType functioning to how it used to at the end of iOS 13.



Alan Lemly



-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:00 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party



Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer need it? Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can neither type in it nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing this up, about the different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips to get rid of it from the screen.--Joe

On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly < <mailto:walemly@gmail.com> walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Pete,

I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since

originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard

mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining

vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can

consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; for iOS

________________________________

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf

of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>

Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:

[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or

in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in

one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and

sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having

to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able

to get to certain items in the messages app.

--Pete

-----Original Message-----

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf

Of Eileen Misrahi

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io

Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,

but it didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:31 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Joe,



I'll post again what I'm doing to successfully use the latest beta version of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.3. First, let me say that FlickType on iOS 14.3 has the following two problems that I consistently experience:



1. When I begin text entry for example with the Messages app, my default on screen keyboard is US English. . I typically place focus in the text box and double tap to bring up the on screen US English keyboard. I then place my finger on the spacebar in the bottom middle of the screen and slide left past the dictate button until focus is on the next keyboard button. If FlickType is announced as the next keyboard, I should be able to double tap anywhere on the screen to open my FlickType keyboard in full screen mode. However, this does not happen normally. I've been unable to trust the next keyboard that Voiceover speaks as what will open. Instead, when the next keyboard button has focus, I double tap and hold on the screen and slide my finger up until FlickType is spoken and then I release. FlickType will always open in full screen mode when I use this method.

2. In later iOS 13 versions, FlickType would automatically launch in direct touch mode and work as it's supposed to. This is not the case with iOS 14 at least not with my system. I realize these devices have gotten extremely powerful with a wealth of settings that can vary greatly among devices which can affect our results. However, I believe FlickType and iOS 14 have some incompatibility issue which requires users to turn direct touch on in order for FlickType to work correctly, If this is not done, typing with the FlickType keyboard does not work for me and I also can't close the keyboard or switch to a different keyboard. Read below for the steps I use to work around this issue with the minimum number of gestures.



Here is what I do when I'm typing a text message to successfully use FlickType in full screen mode with the least number of gestures:



1. I double tap in the Messages text box to open the on screen US English keyboard which is my default.

2. I place focus in the bottom middle of the screen on the spacebar and slide to the left until the next keyboard button has focus.

3. I single finger double tap and hold and slide my finger up until I hear FlickType and then release.

4. The FlickType keyboard opens in full screen mode.

5. I place my finger in the bottom left corner of the screen where I hear FlickType.

6. I do one rotor clockwise gesture. I do a counter clockwise rotor gesture until I hear direct touch which is usually after only one time. I single finger swipe down once and Voiceover says on.

7. FlickType now types as it should and as it always did under iOS 13.2 or so without all of these direct touch shenanigans.

8. I single finger slide up and hold to close FlickType and return to my default US English keyboard.



I hope the above makes sense to others and works for you as it does for me. Hopefully, one of the upcoming iOS versions will return FlickType functioning to how it used to at the end of iOS 13.



Alan Lemly



-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:00 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party



Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer need it? Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can neither type in it nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing this up, about the different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips to get rid of it from the screen.--Joe

On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly < <mailto:walemly@gmail.com> walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Pete,

I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since

originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard

mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining

vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can

consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; for iOS

________________________________

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf

of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>

Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:

[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or

in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in

one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and

sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having

to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able

to get to certain items in the messages app.

--Pete

-----Original Message-----

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf

Of Eileen Misrahi

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io

Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,

but it didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone

Hi Pete,

The majority of on screen keyboarding I do with the standard on screen
keyboard is to enter a password or search term or some such short entry. I
just find it easier to enter this sort of info with the on screen keyboard.
If I'm typing a sentence or more, I'll be using the FlickType full screen
keyboard.

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Peter Torpey
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 9:53 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full
screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working
In 3rd Party

I am curious what prevents you from using flicktype as the default keyboard.
Are you running into other limitations with Flicktype or are there some
tasks that you find easier to do using the standard Apple keyboard?

--pete


-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 7:32 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen
versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd
Party

Hi Joe,



I'll post again what I'm doing to successfully use the latest beta version
of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.3.
First, let me say that FlickType on iOS 14.3 has the following two problems
that I consistently experience:



1. When I begin text entry for example with the Messages app, my
default on screen keyboard is US English. . I typically place focus in the
text box and double tap to bring up the on screen US English keyboard. I
then place my finger on the spacebar in the bottom middle of the screen and
slide left past the dictate button until focus is on the next keyboard
button. If FlickType is announced as the next keyboard, I should be able to
double tap anywhere on the screen to open my FlickType keyboard in full
screen mode. However, this does not happen normally. I've been unable to
trust the next keyboard that Voiceover speaks as what will open. Instead,
when the next keyboard button has focus, I double tap and hold on the screen
and slide my finger up until FlickType is spoken and then I release.
FlickType will always open in full screen mode when I use this method.

2. In later iOS 13 versions, FlickType would automatically launch in
direct touch mode and work as it's supposed to. This is not the case with
iOS 14 at least not with my system. I realize these devices have gotten
extremely powerful with a wealth of settings that can vary greatly among
devices which can affect our results. However, I believe FlickType and iOS
14 have some incompatibility issue which requires users to turn direct touch
on in order for FlickType to work correctly, If this is not done, typing
with the FlickType keyboard does not work for me and I also can't close the
keyboard or switch to a different keyboard. Read below for the steps I use
to work around this issue with the minimum number of gestures.



Here is what I do when I'm typing a text message to successfully use
FlickType in full screen mode with the least number of gestures:



1. I double tap in the Messages text box to open the on screen US
English keyboard which is my default.

2. I place focus in the bottom middle of the screen on the spacebar and
slide to the left until the next keyboard button has focus.

3. I single finger double tap and hold and slide my finger up until I
hear FlickType and then release.

4. The FlickType keyboard opens in full screen mode.

5. I place my finger in the bottom left corner of the screen where I
hear FlickType.

6. I do one rotor clockwise gesture. I do a counter clockwise rotor
gesture until I hear direct touch which is usually after only one time. I
single finger swipe down once and Voiceover says on.

7. FlickType now types as it should and as it always did under iOS 13.2
or so without all of these direct touch shenanigans.

8. I single finger slide up and hold to close FlickType and return to
my default US English keyboard.



I hope the above makes sense to others and works for you as it does for me.
Hopefully, one of the upcoming iOS versions will return FlickType
functioning to how it used to at the end of iOS 13.



Alan Lemly



-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:00 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:
[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party



Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer need it?
Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can neither type in it
nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing this up, about the
different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips to get rid of it from
the screen.--Joe



On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly < <mailto:walemly@gmail.com> walemly@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Pete,

I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since

originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard

mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining

vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can

consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>;
https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; for iOS

________________________________

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io <
<mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf

of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io <
<mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>

Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:

[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or

in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in

one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and

sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having

to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able

to get to certain items in the messages app.

--Pete

-----Original Message-----

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io <
<mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf

Of Eileen Misrahi

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io

Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,

but it didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone

Hi Pete,

I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since

originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard

mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining

vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can

consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; for iOS

________________________________

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf

of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>

Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:

[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or

in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in

one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and

sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having

to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able

to get to certain items in the messages app.

--Pete

-----Original Message-----

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf

Of Eileen Misrahi

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io

Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,

but it didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone

Hi Pete,

I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since

originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard

mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining

vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can

consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; for iOS

________________________________

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf

of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>

Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:

[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or

in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in

one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and

sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having

to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able

to get to certain items in the messages app.

--Pete

-----Original Message-----

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf

Of Eileen Misrahi

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io

Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,

but it didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone

Hi Pete,

I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since

originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard

mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining

vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can

consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; for iOS

________________________________

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf

of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>

Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:

[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or

in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in

one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and

sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having

to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able

to get to certain items in the messages app.

--Pete

-----Original Message-----

From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf

Of Eileen Misrahi

Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM

To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io

Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,

but it didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone

Hi Pete,

I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since originally
that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard mode but I find
full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining vision. And I've
finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can consistently turn on direct touch
with a minimum of gestures.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l>; for iOS
________________________________
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of
Peter Torpey <ptorpey00@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType]
App Not Working In 3rd Party

Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or in
the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in one mode
than another? I have never used the full screen mode and sometimes run
into
issues with the normal mode, especially with having to constantly switch to
direct touch mode and sometimes not being able to get to certain items in
the messages app.

--Pete


-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior, but it
didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone

On Dec 16, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Peter Torpey <ptorpey00@...> wrote:



Are bugs still being addressed for FlickType these days?  With the new OS some functions seem not to be working any more and I wonder if the issues might be addressed in the future.

 

 

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 5:34 PM
To: Flick Type <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: [FlickType] Dictionary entries

 

I thought new words were to be added to the dictionary automatically this does not seem to be happening that way.  for example the word app never gets added  I have to always

 

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