Date   

Re: Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

 

Hi Chuck,

 

Yes, I know about the App library found on the last home screen of my iPhone. FlickType is running just fine on my current iPhone whether as a keyboard or as the container app. However, at some point, I’ll have to upgrade this iPhone and FlickType will be unavailable to my new iPhone which must download its apps from the App Store.

 

Alan

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 11:05 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

 

Hello Ellen,

Yep library is on your phone. If you do a three finger swipe left to the last page, there is your app library. It should have all the apps that you have loaded onto the phone, regardless of whether they are on the screen or not. Take a look, that’s where I found some very old apps I forgot about. 

 

Chuck  (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 



On Sep 14, 2021, at 9:02 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Well, there is no app library on your local computer anymore since Apple changed iTunes a few years back requiring new devices to download apps from the App Store as opposed to restoring them from a local computer. I expect my use of FlickType whether as a keyboard or with the container app will end when I upgrade to a new iPhone.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 3:57 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

 

Hello Alan, I really do not know what will happen in the future, but as it is right now there is no FlickType keyboard for iPhone in the app store. If compatible, FlickType should be able to install from your app library. 

 

I always turned off full access after I did testing and the container app always worked. 

 

I would love to see FlickType classic beck in the app store... At least it would give the community something. 

 

Chuck  (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 




On Sep 14, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi Chuck,

 

Thanks for your post and comments about the FlickType container app. Do you know if the container app will be available in iOS 15 or available for download once a new device is purchased requiring re-download of all apps from the App Store? I’m happy to be able to continue to use FlickType however possible and I first began using Fleksy and FlickType by copying and pasting as is done with the container app and is still faster. I suspect the FlickType container app will not be obtainable from the App Store when purchasing a new device.

 

Do you have full access turned off under Settings, FlickType on your device? Is this required in order to use the container app successfully on your device?

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 2:01 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

 

Hello Alan, 

 

I tried FlickType in the container app and it seems to work fine, but I do not have full access enabled, so I can not tell you if it is working in other fields. 

 

I have always used the old FlickType classic app, which has always worked perfectly in every iOS update and does not require full access to work. It does require a few more taps to export the text, but FlickType Classic has been my go to keyboard. 

 

Chuck  (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 





On Sep 14, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi List,

 

With the FlickType keyboard no longer available in the App Store, I’ve being very careful about upgrading my SE 2020 to new versions of IOS. I’m sure the FlickType keyboard will not work with iOS 15 so I have no plans to upgrade to it for a while. I’m not sure whether the FlickType keyboard will work with iOS 14.8 which dropped in the past couple of days. Have any of you using the keyboard upgraded to iOS 14.8 and if so, does the FlickType keyboard work with it?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly


Re: Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

Chuck Dean
 

Hello Ellen,
Yep library is on your phone. If you do a three finger swipe left to the last page, there is your app library. It should have all the apps that you have loaded onto the phone, regardless of whether they are on the screen or not. Take a look, that’s where I found some very old apps I forgot about. 

Chuck  (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Sep 14, 2021, at 9:02 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Well, there is no app library on your local computer anymore since Apple changed iTunes a few years back requiring new devices to download apps from the App Store as opposed to restoring them from a local computer. I expect my use of FlickType whether as a keyboard or with the container app will end when I upgrade to a new iPhone.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 3:57 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

 

Hello Alan, I really do not know what will happen in the future, but as it is right now there is no FlickType keyboard for iPhone in the app store. If compatible, FlickType should be able to install from your app library. 

 

I always turned off full access after I did testing and the container app always worked. 

 

I would love to see FlickType classic beck in the app store... At least it would give the community something. 

 

Chuck  (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 



On Sep 14, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi Chuck,

 

Thanks for your post and comments about the FlickType container app. Do you know if the container app will be available in iOS 15 or available for download once a new device is purchased requiring re-download of all apps from the App Store? I’m happy to be able to continue to use FlickType however possible and I first began using Fleksy and FlickType by copying and pasting as is done with the container app and is still faster. I suspect the FlickType container app will not be obtainable from the App Store when purchasing a new device.

 

Do you have full access turned off under Settings, FlickType on your device? Is this required in order to use the container app successfully on your device?

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 2:01 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

 

Hello Alan, 

 

I tried FlickType in the container app and it seems to work fine, but I do not have full access enabled, so I can not tell you if it is working in other fields. 

 

I have always used the old FlickType classic app, which has always worked perfectly in every iOS update and does not require full access to work. It does require a few more taps to export the text, but FlickType Classic has been my go to keyboard. 

 

Chuck  (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 




On Sep 14, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi List,

 

With the FlickType keyboard no longer available in the App Store, I’ve being very careful about upgrading my SE 2020 to new versions of IOS. I’m sure the FlickType keyboard will not work with iOS 15 so I have no plans to upgrade to it for a while. I’m not sure whether the FlickType keyboard will work with iOS 14.8 which dropped in the past couple of days. Have any of you using the keyboard upgraded to iOS 14.8 and if so, does the FlickType keyboard work with it?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly


Re: Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

 

Well, there is no app library on your local computer anymore since Apple changed iTunes a few years back requiring new devices to download apps from the App Store as opposed to restoring them from a local computer. I expect my use of FlickType whether as a keyboard or with the container app will end when I upgrade to a new iPhone.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 3:57 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

 

Hello Alan, I really do not know what will happen in the future, but as it is right now there is no FlickType keyboard for iPhone in the app store. If compatible, FlickType should be able to install from your app library. 

 

I always turned off full access after I did testing and the container app always worked. 

 

I would love to see FlickType classic beck in the app store... At least it would give the community something. 

 

Chuck  (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 



On Sep 14, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi Chuck,

 

Thanks for your post and comments about the FlickType container app. Do you know if the container app will be available in iOS 15 or available for download once a new device is purchased requiring re-download of all apps from the App Store? I’m happy to be able to continue to use FlickType however possible and I first began using Fleksy and FlickType by copying and pasting as is done with the container app and is still faster. I suspect the FlickType container app will not be obtainable from the App Store when purchasing a new device.

 

Do you have full access turned off under Settings, FlickType on your device? Is this required in order to use the container app successfully on your device?

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 2:01 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

 

Hello Alan, 

 

I tried FlickType in the container app and it seems to work fine, but I do not have full access enabled, so I can not tell you if it is working in other fields. 

 

I have always used the old FlickType classic app, which has always worked perfectly in every iOS update and does not require full access to work. It does require a few more taps to export the text, but FlickType Classic has been my go to keyboard. 

 

Chuck  (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 




On Sep 14, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi List,

 

With the FlickType keyboard no longer available in the App Store, I’ve being very careful about upgrading my SE 2020 to new versions of IOS. I’m sure the FlickType keyboard will not work with iOS 15 so I have no plans to upgrade to it for a while. I’m not sure whether the FlickType keyboard will work with iOS 14.8 which dropped in the past couple of days. Have any of you using the keyboard upgraded to iOS 14.8 and if so, does the FlickType keyboard work with it?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly


Re: Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

Chuck Dean
 

Hello Alan, 
I tried FlickType with full access enabled and it seemed to work ok. Keep in mind that I am still using an iPhone 8running iOS  14.8   

Chuck  (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Sep 14, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi List,

 

With the FlickType keyboard no longer available in the App Store, I’ve being very careful about upgrading my SE 2020 to new versions of IOS. I’m sure the FlickType keyboard will not work with iOS 15 so I have no plans to upgrade to it for a while. I’m not sure whether the FlickType keyboard will work with iOS 14.8 which dropped in the past couple of days. Have any of you using the keyboard upgraded to iOS 14.8 and if so, does the FlickType keyboard work with it?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly


Re: Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

Chuck Dean
 

To insert a capital letter, manually find the letter you want then flick up. Now type the rest of the word as usual and flick right to insert. 
I hope this helps, 

Chuck  (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Sep 14, 2021, at 1:48 PM, leonard morris <lmorris1953@...> wrote:


I recently replaced my damaged iPhone 11 pro with another working 11 pro but of course Flicktype is no longer available. However, I have an issue with the classic. I forgot how to input a cap letter.

On 9/15/2021 3:00 AM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Alan, 

I tried FlickType in the container app and it seems to work fine, but I do not have full access enabled, so I can not tell you if it is working in other fields. 

I have always used the old FlickType classic app, which has always worked perfectly in every iOS update and does not require full access to work. It does require a few more taps to export the text, but FlickType Classic has been my go to keyboard. 

Chuck  (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Sep 14, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi List,

 

With the FlickType keyboard no longer available in the App Store, I’ve being very careful about upgrading my SE 2020 to new versions of IOS. I’m sure the FlickType keyboard will not work with iOS 15 so I have no plans to upgrade to it for a while. I’m not sure whether the FlickType keyboard will work with iOS 14.8 which dropped in the past couple of days. Have any of you using the keyboard upgraded to iOS 14.8 and if so, does the FlickType keyboard work with it?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly



Re: Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

Chuck Dean
 

Hello Alan, I really do not know what will happen in the future, but as it is right now there is no FlickType keyboard for iPhone in the app store. If compatible, FlickType should be able to install from your app library. 

I always turned off full access after I did testing and the container app always worked. 

I would love to see FlickType classic beck in the app store... At least it would give the community something. 

Chuck  (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Sep 14, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi Chuck,

 

Thanks for your post and comments about the FlickType container app. Do you know if the container app will be available in iOS 15 or available for download once a new device is purchased requiring re-download of all apps from the App Store? I’m happy to be able to continue to use FlickType however possible and I first began using Fleksy and FlickType by copying and pasting as is done with the container app and is still faster. I suspect the FlickType container app will not be obtainable from the App Store when purchasing a new device.

 

Do you have full access turned off under Settings, FlickType on your device? Is this required in order to use the container app successfully on your device?

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 2:01 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

 

Hello Alan, 

 

I tried FlickType in the container app and it seems to work fine, but I do not have full access enabled, so I can not tell you if it is working in other fields. 

 

I have always used the old FlickType classic app, which has always worked perfectly in every iOS update and does not require full access to work. It does require a few more taps to export the text, but FlickType Classic has been my go to keyboard. 

 

Chuck  (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 



On Sep 14, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi List,

 

With the FlickType keyboard no longer available in the App Store, I’ve being very careful about upgrading my SE 2020 to new versions of IOS. I’m sure the FlickType keyboard will not work with iOS 15 so I have no plans to upgrade to it for a while. I’m not sure whether the FlickType keyboard will work with iOS 14.8 which dropped in the past couple of days. Have any of you using the keyboard upgraded to iOS 14.8 and if so, does the FlickType keyboard work with it?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly


Re: Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

 

Hi Chuck,

 

Thanks for your post and comments about the FlickType container app. Do you know if the container app will be available in iOS 15 or available for download once a new device is purchased requiring re-download of all apps from the App Store? I’m happy to be able to continue to use FlickType however possible and I first began using Fleksy and FlickType by copying and pasting as is done with the container app and is still faster. I suspect the FlickType container app will not be obtainable from the App Store when purchasing a new device.

 

Do you have full access turned off under Settings, FlickType on your device? Is this required in order to use the container app successfully on your device?

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 2:01 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

 

Hello Alan, 

 

I tried FlickType in the container app and it seems to work fine, but I do not have full access enabled, so I can not tell you if it is working in other fields. 

 

I have always used the old FlickType classic app, which has always worked perfectly in every iOS update and does not require full access to work. It does require a few more taps to export the text, but FlickType Classic has been my go to keyboard. 

 

Chuck  (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 



On Sep 14, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi List,

 

With the FlickType keyboard no longer available in the App Store, I’ve being very careful about upgrading my SE 2020 to new versions of IOS. I’m sure the FlickType keyboard will not work with iOS 15 so I have no plans to upgrade to it for a while. I’m not sure whether the FlickType keyboard will work with iOS 14.8 which dropped in the past couple of days. Have any of you using the keyboard upgraded to iOS 14.8 and if so, does the FlickType keyboard work with it?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly


Re: Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

leonard morris
 

I recently replaced my damaged iPhone 11 pro with another working 11 pro but of course Flicktype is no longer available. However, I have an issue with the classic. I forgot how to input a cap letter.

On 9/15/2021 3:00 AM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Alan, 

I tried FlickType in the container app and it seems to work fine, but I do not have full access enabled, so I can not tell you if it is working in other fields. 

I have always used the old FlickType classic app, which has always worked perfectly in every iOS update and does not require full access to work. It does require a few more taps to export the text, but FlickType Classic has been my go to keyboard. 

Chuck  (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Sep 14, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi List,

 

With the FlickType keyboard no longer available in the App Store, I’ve being very careful about upgrading my SE 2020 to new versions of IOS. I’m sure the FlickType keyboard will not work with iOS 15 so I have no plans to upgrade to it for a while. I’m not sure whether the FlickType keyboard will work with iOS 14.8 which dropped in the past couple of days. Have any of you using the keyboard upgraded to iOS 14.8 and if so, does the FlickType keyboard work with it?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly



Re: Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

Chuck Dean
 

Hello Alan, 

I tried FlickType in the container app and it seems to work fine, but I do not have full access enabled, so I can not tell you if it is working in other fields. 

I have always used the old FlickType classic app, which has always worked perfectly in every iOS update and does not require full access to work. It does require a few more taps to export the text, but FlickType Classic has been my go to keyboard. 

Chuck  (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Sep 14, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Hi List,

 

With the FlickType keyboard no longer available in the App Store, I’ve being very careful about upgrading my SE 2020 to new versions of IOS. I’m sure the FlickType keyboard will not work with iOS 15 so I have no plans to upgrade to it for a while. I’m not sure whether the FlickType keyboard will work with iOS 14.8 which dropped in the past couple of days. Have any of you using the keyboard upgraded to iOS 14.8 and if so, does the FlickType keyboard work with it?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly


Have any FlickType keyboard users upgraded to iOS 14.8?

 

Hi List,

 

With the FlickType keyboard no longer available in the App Store, I’ve being very careful about upgrading my SE 2020 to new versions of IOS. I’m sure the FlickType keyboard will not work with iOS 15 so I have no plans to upgrade to it for a while. I’m not sure whether the FlickType keyboard will work with iOS 14.8 which dropped in the past couple of days. Have any of you using the keyboard upgraded to iOS 14.8 and if so, does the FlickType keyboard work with it?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly


Contact Apple!

Harry Bell
 

Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple’s Phil Schiller schiller@... to urge him to intervene personally to sort out the problems leading to the developer of FlickType withdrawing his app after his updates were rejected for mystifying reasons. 
Regards
Harry

On 24 Jan 2020, at 02:48, Chuck Dean <cadean329@...> wrote:


Hello Alan and Gordon.
I do a two finger double tap to access the number panel. A two finger single tap will bring up additional symbol panel.

When I want to capitalize a letter I simply do a two finger single tap.

Basically, a two finger single tap is like a toggle of the shift key.
A two finger double tap is like a toggle of the number / symbol key. 

 

Chuck  (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Jan 23, 2020, at 7:37 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Gordon,

 

I use FlickType in full screen mode and I access the symbols differently than how you described. I do the two finger double tap to switch between letters and numbers but if I want to access symbols, I do a two finger double tap and hold when on the numbers keyboard. A regular two finger double tap switches back to the letters keyboard or back and forth between letters and numbers. When I'm on the lower case letters keyboard, a two finger double tap and hold places me in the upper case letters keyboard.

 

I hope that makes sense and is helpful.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 7:31 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Accessing special characters like $,%,*,@?

 

You're going to want to double tap with two fingers to change to symbols. then explore the screen without lifting your finger until you have what you

re wanting to type. Then double tap with two fingers to return to letters.

On 1/23/2020 7:01 PM, Kat Hayes wrote:

I went through some of the video and am confused by the gestures. 

 

I am trying to access numbers and the symbols like @ # $ % * how is this done?

Thanks in advance

 


Re: Making the app open source is a great idea if you wouldn't mine like NVDA. Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Gordon
 

So I'm wondering what's really going on here. If the watch keyboard is going to remain, isn't that going to remain in the same app store that's ran by Apple? So wouldn't the same abuse occur with that keyboard since it's the same developer and the same app store? 

On 8/19/2021 11:20 PM, leonard morris wrote:
One more thing you can even leave a tip jar which I would support.


On Aug 20, 2021, at 12:04 PM, leonard morris via groups.io <lmorris1953@...> wrote:




On Aug 20, 2021, at 5:12 AM, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee134@...> wrote:

Like others, I'm tsad to see this keyboard leave the app store. Kosta and Ashley, is there any chance you can open source the: FlickType code? So that people with the knowledge and know how can build upon this app and keep it alive expand it to other platforms etc.

I have tried other methods of typing on IOS and none are nowhere near to my satisfaction of keyboard input.
Going to feel really lost if it really does go away. It was kinda why I brought an iPhone in the first place.   

 

On 19 Aug 2021, at 14:25, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

 Hi Shaun,

First, I'll apologize, just in case, I misspelled your name. 

I was going to say, "what if you used braille screen input?" 

I'm using it right now, to type this message. 

For the most part, it works well. 
Sometimes though, if I do the delete last typed word, (2 finger flick left) or a new line (2-finger flick right) It gets misinterpreted and results in the rotor changing, and voiceover announcing  "stopping braille screen input." 
From there, you're put back in the text field, most likely at the bottom, of the field you were in, which for me, right now, is the body of this email message. 
So far, braille screen input hasn't crashed once, since I began typing this message. 
I can type very quickly with it. 

Please feel free to contact me offlist, at jldail13@..., if you have any questions, or would like to discuss this further. 

Thanks,

Jessica



On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:54 AM, Shawn Krasniuk via groups.io <bbsshawn@...> wrote:

 Hi Kosta, Chuck and others. Kosta, I share the same sentiments as Chuck. This app has basically changed the way I use my iPhone for the good. When I first heard about it from my friend Helena when it was still in its infancy as just a beta, I jumped at the opportunity to join the beta testing team and installed it on my iPhone. It solidified as a main stable of my phone after I had you on my radio show, Accessibility Matters. I basically used dictation maybe a few times while using this app, and before I was using dictation basically all the time because typing on the iOS keyboard for me is very slow, even when I'm using touch typing. And now I hear that this app won't be developed anymore. I'm a little saddened by this news, but I realize that you've taken a lot of abuse from Apple and I don't blame you for this decision. I was really hoping though that an update would've been released for us testing iOS 15 as there are issues with typing feedback. For example, sometimes Flicktype will just say the last letter of a word when flicking down through the choices of words, such as O for when you flick down to get the word hello. Deleting words doesn't speak all the time either, you just get either it saying space or end of text. So for users of Flicktype, if you desperately need this app, I would recommend not updating to iOS 15 as it won't work properly.
Now as for what I said in my previous paragraph about me not blaming Kosta, this doesn't mean that I blame Apple. This doesn't mean that I'm an Apple fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I'm mad at Apple for how they're treating a helpful Mac app that I use every day and I prefer it over the stupid notification center, but I realize that it is what it is. I realize that I'm a part of a minority which is the blind community and unfortunately we don't get the same treatment as the sighted folks. But that doesn't mean that I need to act entitled and throw a temper tantrum like a 3 year old who has just been told that he/she can't have candy right now. Believe me, there's a lot of things I'd like to have happen like finally having accessibility in video games, but realistically that may not happen in my lifetime. I can hope for it though, but demanding that it happen right now isn't realistic. So in the meantime, I'll keep putting the word out that we are people too, we just can't see.
As for the debate about Apple vs. Android, I've used an Android before and I will never switch to one for personal use. I found Talkback very clunky. Also, I have both a Mac and an Apple Watch so I don't want to screw up my perfect setup. I guess what I'm trying to say is if Flicktype does eventually stop working altogether, I'll manage. Hell, I did it before with using dictation. If I have to, I'll use it again or maybe buy a Bluetooth keyboard and be like one of those people in the visually impaired community who has to lug it around in a bag or something. It's not the end of the world, just the end of an era.

Regards,
Shawn,
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Facetime: bbsshawn@...

On Aug 17, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean <cadean329@...> wrote:

Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta







Re: Making the app open source is a great idea if you wouldn't mine like NVDA. Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

leonard morris
 

One more thing you can even leave a tip jar which I would support.


On Aug 20, 2021, at 12:04 PM, leonard morris via groups.io <lmorris1953@...> wrote:




On Aug 20, 2021, at 5:12 AM, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee134@...> wrote:

Like others, I'm tsad to see this keyboard leave the app store. Kosta and Ashley, is there any chance you can open source the: FlickType code? So that people with the knowledge and know how can build upon this app and keep it alive expand it to other platforms etc.

I have tried other methods of typing on IOS and none are nowhere near to my satisfaction of keyboard input.
Going to feel really lost if it really does go away. It was kinda why I brought an iPhone in the first place.   

 

On 19 Aug 2021, at 14:25, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

 Hi Shaun,

First, I'll apologize, just in case, I misspelled your name. 

I was going to say, "what if you used braille screen input?" 

I'm using it right now, to type this message. 

For the most part, it works well. 
Sometimes though, if I do the delete last typed word, (2 finger flick left) or a new line (2-finger flick right) It gets misinterpreted and results in the rotor changing, and voiceover announcing  "stopping braille screen input." 
From there, you're put back in the text field, most likely at the bottom, of the field you were in, which for me, right now, is the body of this email message. 
So far, braille screen input hasn't crashed once, since I began typing this message. 
I can type very quickly with it. 

Please feel free to contact me offlist, at jldail13@..., if you have any questions, or would like to discuss this further. 

Thanks,

Jessica



On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:54 AM, Shawn Krasniuk via groups.io <bbsshawn@...> wrote:

 Hi Kosta, Chuck and others. Kosta, I share the same sentiments as Chuck. This app has basically changed the way I use my iPhone for the good. When I first heard about it from my friend Helena when it was still in its infancy as just a beta, I jumped at the opportunity to join the beta testing team and installed it on my iPhone. It solidified as a main stable of my phone after I had you on my radio show, Accessibility Matters. I basically used dictation maybe a few times while using this app, and before I was using dictation basically all the time because typing on the iOS keyboard for me is very slow, even when I'm using touch typing. And now I hear that this app won't be developed anymore. I'm a little saddened by this news, but I realize that you've taken a lot of abuse from Apple and I don't blame you for this decision. I was really hoping though that an update would've been released for us testing iOS 15 as there are issues with typing feedback. For example, sometimes Flicktype will just say the last letter of a word when flicking down through the choices of words, such as O for when you flick down to get the word hello. Deleting words doesn't speak all the time either, you just get either it saying space or end of text. So for users of Flicktype, if you desperately need this app, I would recommend not updating to iOS 15 as it won't work properly.
Now as for what I said in my previous paragraph about me not blaming Kosta, this doesn't mean that I blame Apple. This doesn't mean that I'm an Apple fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I'm mad at Apple for how they're treating a helpful Mac app that I use every day and I prefer it over the stupid notification center, but I realize that it is what it is. I realize that I'm a part of a minority which is the blind community and unfortunately we don't get the same treatment as the sighted folks. But that doesn't mean that I need to act entitled and throw a temper tantrum like a 3 year old who has just been told that he/she can't have candy right now. Believe me, there's a lot of things I'd like to have happen like finally having accessibility in video games, but realistically that may not happen in my lifetime. I can hope for it though, but demanding that it happen right now isn't realistic. So in the meantime, I'll keep putting the word out that we are people too, we just can't see.
As for the debate about Apple vs. Android, I've used an Android before and I will never switch to one for personal use. I found Talkback very clunky. Also, I have both a Mac and an Apple Watch so I don't want to screw up my perfect setup. I guess what I'm trying to say is if Flicktype does eventually stop working altogether, I'll manage. Hell, I did it before with using dictation. If I have to, I'll use it again or maybe buy a Bluetooth keyboard and be like one of those people in the visually impaired community who has to lug it around in a bag or something. It's not the end of the world, just the end of an era.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

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On Aug 17, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean <cadean329@...> wrote:

Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta







Making the app open source is a great idea if you wouldn't mine like NVDA. Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

leonard morris
 




On Aug 20, 2021, at 5:12 AM, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee134@...> wrote:

Like others, I'm tsad to see this keyboard leave the app store. Kosta and Ashley, is there any chance you can open source the: FlickType code? So that people with the knowledge and know how can build upon this app and keep it alive expand it to other platforms etc.

I have tried other methods of typing on IOS and none are nowhere near to my satisfaction of keyboard input.
Going to feel really lost if it really does go away. It was kinda why I brought an iPhone in the first place.   

 

On 19 Aug 2021, at 14:25, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

 Hi Shaun,

First, I'll apologize, just in case, I misspelled your name. 

I was going to say, "what if you used braille screen input?" 

I'm using it right now, to type this message. 

For the most part, it works well. 
Sometimes though, if I do the delete last typed word, (2 finger flick left) or a new line (2-finger flick right) It gets misinterpreted and results in the rotor changing, and voiceover announcing  "stopping braille screen input." 
From there, you're put back in the text field, most likely at the bottom, of the field you were in, which for me, right now, is the body of this email message. 
So far, braille screen input hasn't crashed once, since I began typing this message. 
I can type very quickly with it. 

Please feel free to contact me offlist, at jldail13@..., if you have any questions, or would like to discuss this further. 

Thanks,

Jessica



On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:54 AM, Shawn Krasniuk via groups.io <bbsshawn@...> wrote:

 Hi Kosta, Chuck and others. Kosta, I share the same sentiments as Chuck. This app has basically changed the way I use my iPhone for the good. When I first heard about it from my friend Helena when it was still in its infancy as just a beta, I jumped at the opportunity to join the beta testing team and installed it on my iPhone. It solidified as a main stable of my phone after I had you on my radio show, Accessibility Matters. I basically used dictation maybe a few times while using this app, and before I was using dictation basically all the time because typing on the iOS keyboard for me is very slow, even when I'm using touch typing. And now I hear that this app won't be developed anymore. I'm a little saddened by this news, but I realize that you've taken a lot of abuse from Apple and I don't blame you for this decision. I was really hoping though that an update would've been released for us testing iOS 15 as there are issues with typing feedback. For example, sometimes Flicktype will just say the last letter of a word when flicking down through the choices of words, such as O for when you flick down to get the word hello. Deleting words doesn't speak all the time either, you just get either it saying space or end of text. So for users of Flicktype, if you desperately need this app, I would recommend not updating to iOS 15 as it won't work properly.
Now as for what I said in my previous paragraph about me not blaming Kosta, this doesn't mean that I blame Apple. This doesn't mean that I'm an Apple fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I'm mad at Apple for how they're treating a helpful Mac app that I use every day and I prefer it over the stupid notification center, but I realize that it is what it is. I realize that I'm a part of a minority which is the blind community and unfortunately we don't get the same treatment as the sighted folks. But that doesn't mean that I need to act entitled and throw a temper tantrum like a 3 year old who has just been told that he/she can't have candy right now. Believe me, there's a lot of things I'd like to have happen like finally having accessibility in video games, but realistically that may not happen in my lifetime. I can hope for it though, but demanding that it happen right now isn't realistic. So in the meantime, I'll keep putting the word out that we are people too, we just can't see.
As for the debate about Apple vs. Android, I've used an Android before and I will never switch to one for personal use. I found Talkback very clunky. Also, I have both a Mac and an Apple Watch so I don't want to screw up my perfect setup. I guess what I'm trying to say is if Flicktype does eventually stop working altogether, I'll manage. Hell, I did it before with using dictation. If I have to, I'll use it again or maybe buy a Bluetooth keyboard and be like one of those people in the visually impaired community who has to lug it around in a bag or something. It's not the end of the world, just the end of an era.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll happily add you.

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Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
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On Aug 17, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean <cadean329@...> wrote:

Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta







Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Daniel McGee
 

Like others, I'm tsad to see this keyboard leave the app store. Kosta and Ashley, is there any chance you can open source the: FlickType code? So that people with the knowledge and know how can build upon this app and keep it alive expand it to other platforms etc.

I have tried other methods of typing on IOS and none are nowhere near to my satisfaction of keyboard input.
Going to feel really lost if it really does go away. It was kinda why I brought an iPhone in the first place.   

 

On 19 Aug 2021, at 14:25, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

 Hi Shaun,

First, I'll apologize, just in case, I misspelled your name. 

I was going to say, "what if you used braille screen input?" 

I'm using it right now, to type this message. 

For the most part, it works well. 
Sometimes though, if I do the delete last typed word, (2 finger flick left) or a new line (2-finger flick right) It gets misinterpreted and results in the rotor changing, and voiceover announcing  "stopping braille screen input." 
From there, you're put back in the text field, most likely at the bottom, of the field you were in, which for me, right now, is the body of this email message. 
So far, braille screen input hasn't crashed once, since I began typing this message. 
I can type very quickly with it. 

Please feel free to contact me offlist, at jldail13@..., if you have any questions, or would like to discuss this further. 

Thanks,

Jessica



On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:54 AM, Shawn Krasniuk via groups.io <bbsshawn@...> wrote:

 Hi Kosta, Chuck and others. Kosta, I share the same sentiments as Chuck. This app has basically changed the way I use my iPhone for the good. When I first heard about it from my friend Helena when it was still in its infancy as just a beta, I jumped at the opportunity to join the beta testing team and installed it on my iPhone. It solidified as a main stable of my phone after I had you on my radio show, Accessibility Matters. I basically used dictation maybe a few times while using this app, and before I was using dictation basically all the time because typing on the iOS keyboard for me is very slow, even when I'm using touch typing. And now I hear that this app won't be developed anymore. I'm a little saddened by this news, but I realize that you've taken a lot of abuse from Apple and I don't blame you for this decision. I was really hoping though that an update would've been released for us testing iOS 15 as there are issues with typing feedback. For example, sometimes Flicktype will just say the last letter of a word when flicking down through the choices of words, such as O for when you flick down to get the word hello. Deleting words doesn't speak all the time either, you just get either it saying space or end of text. So for users of Flicktype, if you desperately need this app, I would recommend not updating to iOS 15 as it won't work properly.
Now as for what I said in my previous paragraph about me not blaming Kosta, this doesn't mean that I blame Apple. This doesn't mean that I'm an Apple fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I'm mad at Apple for how they're treating a helpful Mac app that I use every day and I prefer it over the stupid notification center, but I realize that it is what it is. I realize that I'm a part of a minority which is the blind community and unfortunately we don't get the same treatment as the sighted folks. But that doesn't mean that I need to act entitled and throw a temper tantrum like a 3 year old who has just been told that he/she can't have candy right now. Believe me, there's a lot of things I'd like to have happen like finally having accessibility in video games, but realistically that may not happen in my lifetime. I can hope for it though, but demanding that it happen right now isn't realistic. So in the meantime, I'll keep putting the word out that we are people too, we just can't see.
As for the debate about Apple vs. Android, I've used an Android before and I will never switch to one for personal use. I found Talkback very clunky. Also, I have both a Mac and an Apple Watch so I don't want to screw up my perfect setup. I guess what I'm trying to say is if Flicktype does eventually stop working altogether, I'll manage. Hell, I did it before with using dictation. If I have to, I'll use it again or maybe buy a Bluetooth keyboard and be like one of those people in the visually impaired community who has to lug it around in a bag or something. It's not the end of the world, just the end of an era.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll happily add you.

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Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbsshawn@...

On Aug 17, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean <cadean329@...> wrote:

Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta







Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Jessica D
 

Hi Shaun,

First, I'll apologize, just in case, I misspelled your name. 

I was going to say, "what if you used braille screen input?" 

I'm using it right now, to type this message. 

For the most part, it works well. 
Sometimes though, if I do the delete last typed word, (2 finger flick left) or a new line (2-finger flick right) It gets misinterpreted and results in the rotor changing, and voiceover announcing  "stopping braille screen input." 
From there, you're put back in the text field, most likely at the bottom, of the field you were in, which for me, right now, is the body of this email message. 
So far, braille screen input hasn't crashed once, since I began typing this message. 
I can type very quickly with it. 

Please feel free to contact me offlist, at jldail13@..., if you have any questions, or would like to discuss this further. 

Thanks,

Jessica



On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:54 AM, Shawn Krasniuk via groups.io <bbsshawn@...> wrote:

 Hi Kosta, Chuck and others. Kosta, I share the same sentiments as Chuck. This app has basically changed the way I use my iPhone for the good. When I first heard about it from my friend Helena when it was still in its infancy as just a beta, I jumped at the opportunity to join the beta testing team and installed it on my iPhone. It solidified as a main stable of my phone after I had you on my radio show, Accessibility Matters. I basically used dictation maybe a few times while using this app, and before I was using dictation basically all the time because typing on the iOS keyboard for me is very slow, even when I'm using touch typing. And now I hear that this app won't be developed anymore. I'm a little saddened by this news, but I realize that you've taken a lot of abuse from Apple and I don't blame you for this decision. I was really hoping though that an update would've been released for us testing iOS 15 as there are issues with typing feedback. For example, sometimes Flicktype will just say the last letter of a word when flicking down through the choices of words, such as O for when you flick down to get the word hello. Deleting words doesn't speak all the time either, you just get either it saying space or end of text. So for users of Flicktype, if you desperately need this app, I would recommend not updating to iOS 15 as it won't work properly.
Now as for what I said in my previous paragraph about me not blaming Kosta, this doesn't mean that I blame Apple. This doesn't mean that I'm an Apple fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I'm mad at Apple for how they're treating a helpful Mac app that I use every day and I prefer it over the stupid notification center, but I realize that it is what it is. I realize that I'm a part of a minority which is the blind community and unfortunately we don't get the same treatment as the sighted folks. But that doesn't mean that I need to act entitled and throw a temper tantrum like a 3 year old who has just been told that he/she can't have candy right now. Believe me, there's a lot of things I'd like to have happen like finally having accessibility in video games, but realistically that may not happen in my lifetime. I can hope for it though, but demanding that it happen right now isn't realistic. So in the meantime, I'll keep putting the word out that we are people too, we just can't see.
As for the debate about Apple vs. Android, I've used an Android before and I will never switch to one for personal use. I found Talkback very clunky. Also, I have both a Mac and an Apple Watch so I don't want to screw up my perfect setup. I guess what I'm trying to say is if Flicktype does eventually stop working altogether, I'll manage. Hell, I did it before with using dictation. If I have to, I'll use it again or maybe buy a Bluetooth keyboard and be like one of those people in the visually impaired community who has to lug it around in a bag or something. It's not the end of the world, just the end of an era.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll happily add you.

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbsshawn@...

On Aug 17, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean <cadean329@...> wrote:

Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta







Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Shawn Krasniuk <bbsshawn@...>
 

Hi Kosta, Chuck and others. Kosta, I share the same sentiments as Chuck. This app has basically changed the way I use my iPhone for the good. When I first heard about it from my friend Helena when it was still in its infancy as just a beta, I jumped at the opportunity to join the beta testing team and installed it on my iPhone. It solidified as a main stable of my phone after I had you on my radio show, Accessibility Matters. I basically used dictation maybe a few times while using this app, and before I was using dictation basically all the time because typing on the iOS keyboard for me is very slow, even when I'm using touch typing. And now I hear that this app won't be developed anymore. I'm a little saddened by this news, but I realize that you've taken a lot of abuse from Apple and I don't blame you for this decision. I was really hoping though that an update would've been released for us testing iOS 15 as there are issues with typing feedback. For example, sometimes Flicktype will just say the last letter of a word when flicking down through the choices of words, such as O for when you flick down to get the word hello. Deleting words doesn't speak all the time either, you just get either it saying space or end of text. So for users of Flicktype, if you desperately need this app, I would recommend not updating to iOS 15 as it won't work properly.
Now as for what I said in my previous paragraph about me not blaming Kosta, this doesn't mean that I blame Apple. This doesn't mean that I'm an Apple fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I'm mad at Apple for how they're treating a helpful Mac app that I use every day and I prefer it over the stupid notification center, but I realize that it is what it is. I realize that I'm a part of a minority which is the blind community and unfortunately we don't get the same treatment as the sighted folks. But that doesn't mean that I need to act entitled and throw a temper tantrum like a 3 year old who has just been told that he/she can't have candy right now. Believe me, there's a lot of things I'd like to have happen like finally having accessibility in video games, but realistically that may not happen in my lifetime. I can hope for it though, but demanding that it happen right now isn't realistic. So in the meantime, I'll keep putting the word out that we are people too, we just can't see.
As for the debate about Apple vs. Android, I've used an Android before and I will never switch to one for personal use. I found Talkback very clunky. Also, I have both a Mac and an Apple Watch so I don't want to screw up my perfect setup. I guess what I'm trying to say is if Flicktype does eventually stop working altogether, I'll manage. Hell, I did it before with using dictation. If I have to, I'll use it again or maybe buy a Bluetooth keyboard and be like one of those people in the visually impaired community who has to lug it around in a bag or something. It's not the end of the world, just the end of an era.

Regards,
Shawn,
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On Aug 17, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean <cadean329@...> wrote:

Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta







Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

George Cham
 

Hi Coster
I would like to   echo chucks comment. Along with him, I became a  alpha and beta tester and moderator of the alpha group.
With  chuck,  we helped you test and  develop the app    and make it successful and profitable And also give blind and vision impaired people a typing experience like no other. it is sad, that you have decided to pull the app from the App Store, and your battles with Apple I’m sure we’ll go on.
I hope that in the future, you will bring back the app bigger and better than ever.
And perhaps resurrect this group again.
I did say that I would unsubscribe earlier, but upon reflection I will remain on the list just in case flick type does come back. 

kind regards,

George Cham Get Outlook for iOS


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of Chuck Dean <cadean329@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 8:08:02 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone
 
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta






Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Jean-Philippe Rykiel
 

Kosta.

This is sad indeed, I loved this app, even though I was a little disappointed that it was not brought into other languages. Anyway, is there anything the users community can do to make you change your mind? Like showing Apple How much this app matters to us, in case this would have changed anything. I know this might sound a little naïve, but have you tried?

Cheers,

JPR


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Le 18/08/2021 à 07:27, Sameer Vasta a écrit :

Hi all

 

Just my 2 pennies worth regarding this subject – Wouldn’t a solution be to rather work with the jailbreak community instead of discontinuing Flictype completely?  This method would allow the developers freedom to operate without any restrictions from Apple’s side whilst still being of benefit to all of us.

 

I will obviously also try and keep Flictype on my device for as long as I possibly can because I honestly cant imagine what I will do without it.

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2021 04:11
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

 

I think you hurt Ed’s feelings.  NFB maybe?

 

Anyway, Apple is taking people’s money, developers and customers alike.  Also, don’t forget they are taking their share on Apple Music by not charging what others need to charge to break even.  They are literally stealing customers from other services.  Sure, it is their own store, so the tired old argument remains;they can do what they want.  It’s not morally right.

 

Pro Max



On Aug 17, 2021, at 10:02 PM, George Cham <George.cham@...> wrote:



There’s no point me remaining on the list.

I will be unsubscribing.

 

kind regards,

 

George Cham


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of William James <wil@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 11:58:16 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

 

You can thank Apple and the business practices they currently pull.  Kosta’s app isn’t the only one that has gotten the shaft with no lube.


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> On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Chuck on this one.
>
> It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
> Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements  in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.
>
> The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.
>
> I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.
>
>
> Ed
>
>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@...> wrote:
>>
>> You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.
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>>> On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>> Hello Kosta,
>>> This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
>>> Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
>>> After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
>>> Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
>>>
>>> I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.
>>>
>>> When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
>>> When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the         revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
>>> Your answer was “bingo”.
>>>
>>> I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
>>> I hate when I’m wrong.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>
>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe       Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
>>> It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.
>>>
>>> Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.
>>>
>>> Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to           everyone who has supported us over the years:
>>>
>>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFlickType%2Fstatus%2F1427292830523744257%3Fs%3D20&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C4df00a78a38e4e502e3c08d961ebefec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637648488241924315%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=2HsGI5SoQLiKA8zCJ%2BclxmeUrlzW0vY2jPxsIlzMgKQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>
>>> - Kosta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Sameer Vasta
 

Hi all

 

Just my 2 pennies worth regarding this subject – Wouldn’t a solution be to rather work with the jailbreak community instead of discontinuing Flictype completely?  This method would allow the developers freedom to operate without any restrictions from Apple’s side whilst still being of benefit to all of us.

 

I will obviously also try and keep Flictype on my device for as long as I possibly can because I honestly cant imagine what I will do without it.

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2021 04:11
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

 

I think you hurt Ed’s feelings.  NFB maybe?

 

Anyway, Apple is taking people’s money, developers and customers alike.  Also, don’t forget they are taking their share on Apple Music by not charging what others need to charge to break even.  They are literally stealing customers from other services.  Sure, it is their own store, so the tired old argument remains;they can do what they want.  It’s not morally right.

 

Pro Max



On Aug 17, 2021, at 10:02 PM, George Cham <George.cham@...> wrote:



There’s no point me remaining on the list.

I will be unsubscribing.

 

kind regards,

 

George Cham


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of William James <wil@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 11:58:16 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

 

You can thank Apple and the business practices they currently pull.  Kosta’s app isn’t the only one that has gotten the shaft with no lube.


Pro Max

> On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Chuck on this one.
>
> It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
> Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements  in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.
>
> The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.
>
> I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.
>
>
> Ed
>
>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@...> wrote:
>>
>> You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>> Hello Kosta,
>>> This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
>>> Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
>>> After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
>>> Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
>>>
>>> I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.
>>>
>>> When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
>>> When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the         revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
>>> Your answer was “bingo”.
>>>
>>> I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
>>> I hate when I’m wrong.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>
>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe       Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
>>> It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.
>>>
>>> Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.
>>>
>>> Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to           everyone who has supported us over the years:
>>>
>>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFlickType%2Fstatus%2F1427292830523744257%3Fs%3D20&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C4df00a78a38e4e502e3c08d961ebefec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637648488241924315%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=2HsGI5SoQLiKA8zCJ%2BclxmeUrlzW0vY2jPxsIlzMgKQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>
>>> - Kosta
>>>
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