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Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Sameer Vasta
 

Hi all

 

Just my 2 pennies worth regarding this subject – Wouldn’t a solution be to rather work with the jailbreak community instead of discontinuing Flictype completely?  This method would allow the developers freedom to operate without any restrictions from Apple’s side whilst still being of benefit to all of us.

 

I will obviously also try and keep Flictype on my device for as long as I possibly can because I honestly cant imagine what I will do without it.

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2021 04:11
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

 

I think you hurt Ed’s feelings.  NFB maybe?

 

Anyway, Apple is taking people’s money, developers and customers alike.  Also, don’t forget they are taking their share on Apple Music by not charging what others need to charge to break even.  They are literally stealing customers from other services.  Sure, it is their own store, so the tired old argument remains;they can do what they want.  It’s not morally right.

 

Pro Max



On Aug 17, 2021, at 10:02 PM, George Cham <George.cham@...> wrote:



There’s no point me remaining on the list.

I will be unsubscribing.

 

kind regards,

 

George Cham


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of William James <wil@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 11:58:16 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

 

You can thank Apple and the business practices they currently pull.  Kosta’s app isn’t the only one that has gotten the shaft with no lube.


Pro Max

> On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Chuck on this one.
>
> It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
> Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements  in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.
>
> The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.
>
> I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.
>
>
> Ed
>
>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@...> wrote:
>>
>> You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>> Hello Kosta,
>>> This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
>>> Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
>>> After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
>>> Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
>>>
>>> I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.
>>>
>>> When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
>>> When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the         revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
>>> Your answer was “bingo”.
>>>
>>> I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
>>> I hate when I’m wrong.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>
>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe       Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
>>> It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.
>>>
>>> Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.
>>>
>>> Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to           everyone who has supported us over the years:
>>>
>>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFlickType%2Fstatus%2F1427292830523744257%3Fs%3D20&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C4df00a78a38e4e502e3c08d961ebefec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637648488241924315%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=2HsGI5SoQLiKA8zCJ%2BclxmeUrlzW0vY2jPxsIlzMgKQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>
>>> - Kosta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

William James
 

I think you hurt Ed’s feelings.  NFB maybe?

Anyway, Apple is taking people’s money, developers and customers alike.  Also, don’t forget they are taking their share on Apple Music by not charging what others need to charge to break even.  They are literally stealing customers from other services.  Sure, it is their own store, so the tired old argument remains;they can do what they want.  It’s not morally right.


Pro Max

On Aug 17, 2021, at 10:02 PM, George Cham <George.cham@...> wrote:


There’s no point me remaining on the list.
I will be unsubscribing.

kind regards,

George Cham

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of William James <wil@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 11:58:16 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone
 
You can thank Apple and the business practices they currently pull.  Kosta’s app isn’t the only one that has gotten the shaft with no lube.


Pro Max

> On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Chuck on this one.
>
> It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
> Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements  in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.
>
> The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.
>
> I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.
>
>
> Ed
>
>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@...> wrote:
>>
>> You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>> Hello Kosta,
>>> This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
>>> Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
>>> After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
>>> Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
>>>
>>> I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.
>>>
>>> When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
>>> When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the         revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
>>> Your answer was “bingo”.
>>>
>>> I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
>>> I hate when I’m wrong.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>
>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe       Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
>>> It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.
>>>
>>> Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.
>>>
>>> Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to           everyone who has supported us over the years:
>>>
>>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFlickType%2Fstatus%2F1427292830523744257%3Fs%3D20&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C4df00a78a38e4e502e3c08d961ebefec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637648488241924315%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=2HsGI5SoQLiKA8zCJ%2BclxmeUrlzW0vY2jPxsIlzMgKQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>
>>> - Kosta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

George Cham
 

There’s no point me remaining on the list.
I will be unsubscribing.

kind regards,

George Cham


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of William James <wil@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 11:58:16 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone
 
You can thank Apple and the business practices they currently pull.  Kosta’s app isn’t the only one that has gotten the shaft with no lube.


Pro Max

> On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Chuck on this one.
>
> It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
> Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements  in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.
>
> The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.
>
> I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.
>
>
> Ed
>
>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@...> wrote:
>>
>> You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>> Hello Kosta,
>>> This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
>>> Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
>>> After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
>>> Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
>>>
>>> I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.
>>>
>>> When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
>>> When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the         revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
>>> Your answer was “bingo”.
>>>
>>> I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
>>> I hate when I’m wrong.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>
>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe       Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
>>> It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.
>>>
>>> Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.
>>>
>>> Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to           everyone who has supported us over the years:
>>>
>>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFlickType%2Fstatus%2F1427292830523744257%3Fs%3D20&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C4df00a78a38e4e502e3c08d961ebefec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637648488241924315%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=2HsGI5SoQLiKA8zCJ%2BclxmeUrlzW0vY2jPxsIlzMgKQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>
>>> - Kosta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

William James
 

You can thank Apple and the business practices they currently pull. Kosta’s app isn’t the only one that has gotten the shaft with no lube.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

I agree with Chuck on this one.

It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.

The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.

I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.


Ed

On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@gmail.com> wrote:

You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.





On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.

I also defended Flicktype like a lioness defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe Our 1961 Vespa 400





On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@flicktype.com> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta









Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Christy S <christys1075@...>
 

Some people clearly don't know how to state their thoughts in a mature and adult fashion. At least the original poster didn't resort to that.

I'll be leaving this list anyway because there's no real point to remaining on it, but I'll leave everyone with this thought.

If you tear down developers for decisions they make after years of work, what motivation do they have to do anything to help us use their apps in the future? Do you also use this same antagonistic approach when reporting accessibility issues? If not, I'm hardly surprised the response isn't a positive one. As someone who hopes to release blindness related computer software in the future, there are certain folks in the community I will be a lot more wary to work with because, frankly, I don't need verbal abuse, insults, or to try to please someone who is always going to shoot off at the mouth. No one does.


On 8/17/2021 7:38 PM, George Cham wrote:
I’m not the Lyft moderator.
But this language is not necessary on this list or any other list.
If you have any gradients or want to use foul    language take it off list. The developer has made the tough decision to withdraw the app, because of the Apple policy and the frustrations that they have faced.

kind regards,

George Cham

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 9:33:40 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone
 
Fuck you, you little bitch. Get off your fucking lazy ass and build a keyboard.

I’ll wait.
> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:57 PM, JP Shandra <blindambition777@...> wrote:
>
> This is why the blind community can’t have nice things. A developer is only as good as what you can give ME. Tearing down a developer who poured hours and years into an accessible keyboard, when others haven’t…. Get off your entitled bitch asses. Go build one, good luck!
> So tired of the entitled Apple apologists. I won’t claim to know both sides, but Apple is known to fuck people over and over. So I place blame with their monopolistic approach.
> I now remember why I no longer belong to blind groups, even though I’m completely blind. A good ratio are a complete embarrassment, and contribute to our many challenges.
> Thank you Kosta, along with Ashley, for your time and dedication. I’m embarrassed to say this, but the sighted community might show more appreciation. There’s clearly some here in the group who will be there when things are good, and kick you when you no longer serve their needs.
> My best to you and your family.
> JP
>
>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Chuck on this one.
>>
>> It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
>> Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements  in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.
>>
>> The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.
>>
>> I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.
>>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>>> Hello Kosta,
>>>> This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
>>>> Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
>>>> After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
>>>> Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
>>>>
>>>> I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.
>>>>
>>>> When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
>>>> When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the         revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
>>>> Your answer was “bingo”.
>>>>
>>>> I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
>>>> I hate when I’m wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>>
>>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe       Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
>>>> It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.
>>>>
>>>> Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to           everyone who has supported us over the years:
>>>>
>>>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFlickType%2Fstatus%2F1427292830523744257%3Fs%3D20&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C51f957c6c70445739ade08d961d77c60%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637648400403464106%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=dzZdcpjJ1ud%2BoiJU7HqlCi3fXpdEXWjrcbY1Mw17pRM%3D&amp;reserved=0
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>>>> - Kosta
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Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

George Cham
 

I’m not the Lyft moderator.
But this language is not necessary on this list or any other list.
If you have any gradients or want to use foul    language take it off list. The developer has made the tough decision to withdraw the app, because of the Apple policy and the frustrations that they have faced.

kind regards,

George Cham


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 9:33:40 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone
 
Fuck you, you little bitch. Get off your fucking lazy ass and build a keyboard.

I’ll wait.
> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:57 PM, JP Shandra <blindambition777@...> wrote:
>
> This is why the blind community can’t have nice things. A developer is only as good as what you can give ME. Tearing down a developer who poured hours and years into an accessible keyboard, when others haven’t…. Get off your entitled bitch asses. Go build one, good luck!
> So tired of the entitled Apple apologists. I won’t claim to know both sides, but Apple is known to fuck people over and over. So I place blame with their monopolistic approach.
> I now remember why I no longer belong to blind groups, even though I’m completely blind. A good ratio are a complete embarrassment, and contribute to our many challenges.
> Thank you Kosta, along with Ashley, for your time and dedication. I’m embarrassed to say this, but the sighted community might show more appreciation. There’s clearly some here in the group who will be there when things are good, and kick you when you no longer serve their needs.
> My best to you and your family.
> JP
>
>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Chuck on this one.
>>
>> It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
>> Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements  in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.
>>
>> The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.
>>
>> I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.
>>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.
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>>>> On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>>> Hello Kosta,
>>>> This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
>>>> Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
>>>> After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
>>>> Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
>>>>
>>>> I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.
>>>>
>>>> When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
>>>> When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the         revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
>>>> Your answer was “bingo”.
>>>>
>>>> I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
>>>> I hate when I’m wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>>
>>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe       Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
>>>> It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.
>>>>
>>>> Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to           everyone who has supported us over the years:
>>>>
>>>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFlickType%2Fstatus%2F1427292830523744257%3Fs%3D20&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C51f957c6c70445739ade08d961d77c60%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637648400403464106%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=dzZdcpjJ1ud%2BoiJU7HqlCi3fXpdEXWjrcbY1Mw17pRM%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>
>>>> - Kosta
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Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Ed Worrell <ed.worrell@...>
 

Fuck you, you little bitch. Get off your fucking lazy ass and build a keyboard.

I’ll wait.

On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:57 PM, JP Shandra <blindambition777@gmail.com> wrote:

This is why the blind community can’t have nice things. A developer is only as good as what you can give ME. Tearing down a developer who poured hours and years into an accessible keyboard, when others haven’t…. Get off your entitled bitch asses. Go build one, good luck!
So tired of the entitled Apple apologists. I won’t claim to know both sides, but Apple is known to fuck people over and over. So I place blame with their monopolistic approach.
I now remember why I no longer belong to blind groups, even though I’m completely blind. A good ratio are a complete embarrassment, and contribute to our many challenges.
Thank you Kosta, along with Ashley, for your time and dedication. I’m embarrassed to say this, but the sighted community might show more appreciation. There’s clearly some here in the group who will be there when things are good, and kick you when you no longer serve their needs.
My best to you and your family.
JP

On Aug 17, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

I agree with Chuck on this one.

It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.

The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.

I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.


Ed

On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@gmail.com> wrote:
You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.





On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.

I also defended Flicktype like a lioness defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe Our 1961 Vespa 400





On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@flicktype.com> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta












Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

JP Shandra <blindambition777@...>
 

This is why the blind community can’t have nice things. A developer is only as good as what you can give ME. Tearing down a developer who poured hours and years into an accessible keyboard, when others haven’t…. Get off your entitled bitch asses. Go build one, good luck!
So tired of the entitled Apple apologists. I won’t claim to know both sides, but Apple is known to fuck people over and over. So I place blame with their monopolistic approach.
I now remember why I no longer belong to blind groups, even though I’m completely blind. A good ratio are a complete embarrassment, and contribute to our many challenges.
Thank you Kosta, along with Ashley, for your time and dedication. I’m embarrassed to say this, but the sighted community might show more appreciation. There’s clearly some here in the group who will be there when things are good, and kick you when you no longer serve their needs.
My best to you and your family.
JP

On Aug 17, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

I agree with Chuck on this one.

It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.

The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.

I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.


Ed

On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@gmail.com> wrote:

You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.





On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.

I also defended Flicktype like a lioness defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe Our 1961 Vespa 400





On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@flicktype.com> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta









Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Gordon
 

I just wonder what happens to this keyboard. Is the software going to be sold to someone who might bring it back or does it just disappear forever? I would try to sell it instead of just throwing it away and never using it again. It's the most powerful peace of software I've ever used on a mobile phone. 

On 8/17/2021 5:21 PM, Christy S wrote:

You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.



On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta






Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Ed Worrell <ed.worrell@...>
 

I agree with Chuck on this one.

It’s sad to see the abrupt ending to the app. We were promised the app would remain. He is choosing to remove the app from the store. Additional note: the
Apple Watch version of the app will stick around… Hmm, picking the sighted community over the visually impaired again I see. As soon as I heard there was going to be an Apple Watch app I knew the days were numbered for the iOS keyboard. Updates kept coming for the Apple Watch version of the keyboard and there weren’t any VO improvements in either The iPhone or Watch keyboards.

The claim of Apple making this difficult is a cover, I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.

I hate to be so negative but this is what happened with Fleksy too. Start with the visually impaired community, start to cater to the sighted community and finally screw the visually impaired community.


Ed

On Aug 17, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Christy S <christys1075@gmail.com> wrote:

You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.





On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.

I also defended Flicktype like a lioness defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe Our 1961 Vespa 400





On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@flicktype.com> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta





Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Christy S <christys1075@...>
 

You know, while I understand your frustration, I don't think the hostile attitude of this message is really fair. I think Apple deserves the anger and resentment, not developers who have put a lot of time, resources, and effort into doing something only to have apple treat them like total crap. As very sad as I am for this to go away, and I am, *everyone* has their limits that they can and should put up with. I believe this is a boundary issue for the developer, not a character issue, and were it me reading a message like this I would be very hurt and upset for pouring into something so much only to be told my character was bad or something. As for apple? Well, this kind of nonsense is why I've recently switched to android. I don't regret it.



On 8/17/2021 5:08 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta






Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Chuck Dean
 

Hello Kosta,
This truly is sad news, especially since you broke your promise to me.
Before Theodore was born, and Ashley had her health problems, you asked me to be an alpha tester for Flicktype. I was somewhat reluctant to spend time with the app  after seeing what happened to Fleksy. You assured me that you were totally committed to the Flicktype app, and would fight for it no matter what to keep it in the App Store forever!
After hearing this I decided to become an alpha tester, and I spent many hours working with you and other people to try to make Flicktype a great app.
Also, as a beta tester and moderator, I spent a lot of time helping other beta testers understand the new incarnations of Flicktype, and explaining to people what the differences were. Through many Test Flight trials, a great app was developed.
 
I also defended Flicktype like a lioness  defending her cubs. I explained many times why apps built for the visually impaired community did not have the same revenue as other apps, and why it was necessary for her to have a higher dollar value, or a subscription price.

When you developed the watch app, you actually called me on the phone and we talked for about an hour and a half  and how the watch app could be developed and used by visually impaired people.
When you released the watch app, to the general public, many people came on the Internet and said this was the end of  Flicktype.They feared the same thing was going to happen to Flicktype that happened to Fleksy once the general public started using it, it would stop being accessible. I explain to these people that I thought the reason why you were allowing the Apple Watch app to go public is because you would use the revenue to support the Flicktype app for the visually impaired.
Your answer was “bingo”.

I guess the most disappointing thing to me is I’m usually a pretty good judge of character.
I hate when I’m wrong.

Chuck 
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.






On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:41 PM FlickType <hello@...> wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta






Re: Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

Christy S <christys1075@...>
 

Have you considered porting to android? My understanding is it's a ton less hassle, and would be appreciated by those of us on that platform. I'd hate for all that hard work to go to waste.

On 8/17/2021 3:41 PM, FlickType wrote:
It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta




Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone

 

It's with a heavy heart that we're announcing the discontinuation of our award-winning iPhone keyboard.

Apple has thrown us obstacle after obstacle for years while we try to provide an app to improve people's lives, and we can no longer endure their abuse.

Read more about our announcement below, and thank you to everyone who has supported us over the years:

https://twitter.com/FlickType/status/1427292830523744257?s=20

- Kosta


Re: This is a horrible sad day

Field, S. (Scott)
 

Hi

The abuse Kosta is getting is quite incredible.  I, for one, think the FlickType keyboard app as well as the Voice Dream products to be the only real reason why I still have an iPhone and haven’t moved over to Android.  iPhones are extremely expensive in South Africa, about double the US pricing and really aren’t worth the price if you compare them to android apps with similar capabilities. 

I think Kosta tried really hard and was blocked at every turn by Apple if you read his twitter feed.  It is truly a sad day that the app is being removed from the app store.  I will keep automatic updates switched off on my phone and hope I don’t have to restore my phone any time soon so that I can keep enjoying the convenience of the FlickType app. 

The fact that his watch keyboard is not being removed makes perfect sense as the issues he faces with Apple are specific to IOS.  I wish him all the best and hope the watch app is a great success, even if it isn’t accessible.  If it is a source of income to him, I am very happy as he truly deserves to be successful.    

I find it very sad how entitled some of our blind community members feel to Kosta’s time and effort, he went further than most developers to build one of the best and most accessible apps to date and for that I am truly grateful. 

Let’s hope the issues can be resolved and that one day the best ever keyboard app can be brought back to the app store. 

Regards

Scott

 

 

 

 

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It’s also worth saying that it was their decision to remove the app and this is one side of the story. No one has heard the other side of the story as of yet.

Also Apple and many other companies will only pay what the tech in question is worth. It was an ok keyboard, of which has open source code in it. If Apple wanted to they could grab the source code from the internet and do it themselves. It seems the Apple Watch keyboard will stick around, but not the iPhone keyboard… The dev is screwing over the visually impaired community that helped make this a good app. The Apple Watch keyboard isn’t even accessible anymore.

Ed


> On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:15 AM, Tony Hernandez <tonyhspeaks@...> wrote:
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Re: This is a horrible sad day

Ed Worrell <ed.worrell@...>
 

It’s also worth saying that it was their decision to remove the app and this is one side of the story. No one has heard the other side of the story as of yet.

Also Apple and many other companies will only pay what the tech in question is worth. It was an ok keyboard, of which has open source code in it. If Apple wanted to they could grab the source code from the internet and do it themselves. It seems the Apple Watch keyboard will stick around, but not the iPhone keyboard… The dev is screwing over the visually impaired community that helped make this a good app. The Apple Watch keyboard isn’t even accessible anymore.

Ed

On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:15 AM, Tony Hernandez <tonyhspeaks@gmail.com> wrote:

I encourage everyone to follow the link below and read the article. It gives at least an inkling of why Kosta and Ashley have made this difficult and painful decision. To sum up, Apple is up to no good, and it isn't an isolated case. See for yourselves.



https://bit.ly/3jZ4aqR



--
Tony Hernandez


Re: This is a horrible sad day

Tony Hernandez
 

I encourage everyone to follow the link below and read the article. It gives at least an inkling of why Kosta and Ashley have made this difficult and painful decision. To sum up, Apple is up to no good, and it isn't an isolated case. See for yourselves.


https://bit.ly/3jZ4aqR


--
Tony Hernandez


Re: This is a horrible sad day

leonard morris
 

I had to perform a backup of my 11 pro iPhone to my computer before sending the device to Apple. I am using an iPhone 5 currently and I downloaded a previous IOS version of FlickType from the app store today. I hope my backup of my 11 Pro iPhone to my computer will allow me to restore FlickType to a replacement if Apple is unable to repair the older 11 pro iPhone. 



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On Aug 17, 2021, at 5:16 AM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



JP,

 

Many thanks for the link.

 

Alan

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of JP Shandra
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 3:37 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] This is a horrible sad day

 

Hi Alan,

I’m including the Apple Insider article posted a little while ago. It includes the Twitter announcement from Kosta earlier today.

 

Best,

JP



On Aug 16, 2021, at 1:25 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:

Gordon,

I expect we'll be able to continue to use FlickType on the devices where it is installed. However, as soon as we get a new device, we will be unable to install FlickType on it since it will no longer be in the App Store.

Can you provide a link to a website or document discussing this decision to withdraw the app? Thanks.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 3:11 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] This is a horrible sad day

So I wonder if the app is going to completely stop working for everyone? Or will we be able to continue to use it if we already have it installed?

On Aug 16, 2021, at 3:08 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:

 

Please also remember that the developer is removing the app from the store, not Apple. The blame doesn’t fall on Apple for this one.

 

The developer is also in a lawsuit with Apple, this all was the developers decision.

 

Ed

 

 

On Aug 16, 2021, at 2:05 PM, JP Shandra <blindambition777@...> wrote:

 

I saw the developer announcement, along with the multiple tech blogs announcing the news.

It is certainly a sad day for the blind community. This keyboard has enriched my typing experience on iPhone and Apple Watch… Going all the way back to the first encarnation Fleksy.

Yet again, Apple has screwed up royally. Quite the theme this year. All the blogs have focused on the fact that the keyboard was initially designed with the blind community in mind. That’s not looking too good for Apple’s constant spouting of their  dedication to Accessibility.

Best,

JP

 

On Aug 16, 2021, at 12:40 PM, Gordon <gordon@...> wrote:

 

So the announcement has been made that flick type will be removed from the app store. Not by Apple, but the folks who created it because of Apple's horrible treatment. This is a bad day for us blind users who really depend on this keyboard every single day. I'm really sad about this, but I completely understand after what the folks have had to deal with over the years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 












Re: This is a horrible sad day

 

JP,

 

Many thanks for the link.

 

Alan

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of JP Shandra
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 3:37 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] This is a horrible sad day

 

Hi Alan,

I’m including the Apple Insider article posted a little while ago. It includes the Twitter announcement from Kosta earlier today.

 

Best,

JP



On Aug 16, 2021, at 1:25 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:

Gordon,

I expect we'll be able to continue to use FlickType on the devices where it is installed. However, as soon as we get a new device, we will be unable to install FlickType on it since it will no longer be in the App Store.

Can you provide a link to a website or document discussing this decision to withdraw the app? Thanks.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 3:11 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] This is a horrible sad day

So I wonder if the app is going to completely stop working for everyone? Or will we be able to continue to use it if we already have it installed?

On Aug 16, 2021, at 3:08 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell@...> wrote:

 

Please also remember that the developer is removing the app from the store, not Apple. The blame doesn’t fall on Apple for this one.

 

The developer is also in a lawsuit with Apple, this all was the developers decision.

 

Ed

 

 

On Aug 16, 2021, at 2:05 PM, JP Shandra <blindambition777@...> wrote:

 

I saw the developer announcement, along with the multiple tech blogs announcing the news.

It is certainly a sad day for the blind community. This keyboard has enriched my typing experience on iPhone and Apple Watch… Going all the way back to the first encarnation Fleksy.

Yet again, Apple has screwed up royally. Quite the theme this year. All the blogs have focused on the fact that the keyboard was initially designed with the blind community in mind. That’s not looking too good for Apple’s constant spouting of their  dedication to Accessibility.

Best,

JP

 

On Aug 16, 2021, at 12:40 PM, Gordon <gordon@...> wrote:

 

So the announcement has been made that flick type will be removed from the app store. Not by Apple, but the folks who created it because of Apple's horrible treatment. This is a bad day for us blind users who really depend on this keyboard every single day. I'm really sad about this, but I completely understand after what the folks have had to deal with over the years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 












Re: This is a horrible sad day

Gordon
 

OK that didn't work. Go to applevis.com and you'll see it there on the home page as a forum post you can click.

On 8/16/2021 3:48 PM, Gordon via groups.io wrote:
Discontinuing FlickType Keyboard for iPhone | AppleVis

On 8/16/2021 3:24 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
Gordon,

I expect we'll be able to continue to use FlickType on the devices where it is installed. However, as soon as we get a new device, we will be unable to install FlickType on it since it will no longer be in the App Store.

Can you provide a link to a website or document discussing this decision to withdraw the app? Thanks.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 3:11 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] This is a horrible sad day

So I wonder if the app is going to completely stop working for everyone? Or will we be able to continue to use it if we already have it installed?
On Aug 16, 2021, at 3:08 PM, Ed Worrell via groups.io <ed.worrell=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Please also remember that the developer is removing the app from the store, not Apple. The blame doesn’t fall on Apple for this one.

The developer is also in a lawsuit with Apple, this all was the developers decision.

Ed


On Aug 16, 2021, at 2:05 PM, JP Shandra <blindambition777@gmail.com> wrote:

I saw the developer announcement, along with the multiple tech blogs announcing the news.
It is certainly a sad day for the blind community. This keyboard has enriched my typing experience on iPhone and Apple Watch… Going all the way back to the first encarnation Fleksy.
Yet again, Apple has screwed up royally. Quite the theme this year. All the blogs have focused on the fact that the keyboard was initially designed with the blind community in mind. That’s not looking too good for Apple’s constant spouting of their  dedication to Accessibility.
Best,
JP

On Aug 16, 2021, at 12:40 PM, Gordon <gordon@gordonradio.com> wrote:
So the announcement has been made that flick type will be removed from the app store. Not by Apple, but the folks who created it because of Apple's horrible treatment. This is a bad day for us blind users who really depend on this keyboard every single day. I'm really sad about this, but I completely understand after what the folks have had to deal with over the years.




















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