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Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

 

Hi Benny,

I don't know if running FlickType on an iOS 13.x device versus running it on an iOS 14.x device as I am makes any difference in rotor availability. Maybe someone else running iOS 13.x can comment on rotor availability. When I'm in FlickType full screen mode running iOS 14.3 and do the rotor "turn the radio dial" gesture, Voiceover immediately speaks the current rotor item. I assume you have the rotor turned on and available with other apps so it should also be available in FlickType full screen mode. I've heard that some folks have trouble doing the rotor gesture but I'm assuming that isn't your issue. If you continue to have problems accessing the rotor in FlickType full screen mode, I'd recommend you call Apple Accessibility at 877-204-3930 while they are connected to your device and maybe they can figure something out.

Good luck.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benny Barber
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2021 2:08 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Alan,
I use flicktype in full screen. I have never been able to pull up the rotor when FlickType is open. I wanted to test your instructions with direct touch typing and cannot pull up the rotor. I am running iOS 13.6 on a 6S. Of course I do not have the issues that you are addressing because I have not upgraded iOS to 14 yet. I just wanted to see if I could pull up the rotor while flicktype was in full screen. Can you enlighten me on how to do so. Thank you.
Benny

On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:31 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

?Hi Joe,



I'll post again what I'm doing to successfully use the latest beta version of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.3. First, let me say that FlickType on iOS 14.3 has the following two problems that I consistently experience:



1. When I begin text entry for example with the Messages app, my default on screen keyboard is US English. . I typically place focus in the text box and double tap to bring up the on screen US English keyboard. I then place my finger on the spacebar in the bottom middle of the screen and slide left past the dictate button until focus is on the next keyboard button. If FlickType is announced as the next keyboard, I should be able to double tap anywhere on the screen to open my FlickType keyboard in full screen mode. However, this does not happen normally. I've been unable to trust the next keyboard that Voiceover speaks as what will open. Instead, when the next keyboard button has focus, I double tap and hold on the screen and slide my finger up until FlickType is spoken and then I release. FlickType will always open in full screen mode when I use this method.

2. In later iOS 13 versions, FlickType would automatically launch in direct touch mode and work as it's supposed to. This is not the case with iOS 14 at least not with my system. I realize these devices have gotten extremely powerful with a wealth of settings that can vary greatly among devices which can affect our results. However, I believe FlickType and iOS 14 have some incompatibility issue which requires users to turn direct touch on in order for FlickType to work correctly, If this is not done, typing with the FlickType keyboard does not work for me and I also can't close the keyboard or switch to a different keyboard. Read below for the steps I use to work around this issue with the minimum number of gestures.



Here is what I do when I'm typing a text message to successfully use FlickType in full screen mode with the least number of gestures:



1. I double tap in the Messages text box to open the on screen US English keyboard which is my default.

2. I place focus in the bottom middle of the screen on the spacebar and slide to the left until the next keyboard button has focus.

3. I single finger double tap and hold and slide my finger up until I hear FlickType and then release.

4. The FlickType keyboard opens in full screen mode.

5. I place my finger in the bottom left corner of the screen where I hear FlickType.

6. I do one rotor clockwise gesture. I do a counter clockwise rotor gesture until I hear direct touch which is usually after only one time. I single finger swipe down once and Voiceover says on.

7. FlickType now types as it should and as it always did under iOS 13.2 or so without all of these direct touch shenanigans.

8. I single finger slide up and hold to close FlickType and return to my default US English keyboard.



I hope the above makes sense to others and works for you as it does for me. Hopefully, one of the upcoming iOS versions will return FlickType functioning to how it used to at the end of iOS 13.



Alan Lemly



-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:00 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party



Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer need it? Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can neither type in it nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing this up, about the different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips to get rid of it from the screen.--Joe



On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly < <mailto:walemly@gmail.com> walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Pete,
I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since
originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard
mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining
vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can
consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.
Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l> https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS
________________________________
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf
of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:
[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or
in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in
one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and
sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having
to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able
to get to certain items in the messages app.
--Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Hi Alan,
Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,
but it didn't at the time.
Best,
Best,Eileent from my iPhone














Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Peter Torpey
 

In a previous note you mentioned that you use the flicktype on screen keyboard for entering short text as for a password but that for most typing you use the flicktype full screen keyboard. Is there an easy way of switching back and forth between the on screen and full screen keyboard for Flicktype?

Thanks.

--Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benny Barber
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 1:08 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Alan,
I use flicktype in full screen. I have never been able to pull up the rotor when FlickType is open. I wanted to test your instructions with direct touch typing and cannot pull up the rotor. I am running iOS 13.6 on a 6S. Of course I do not have the issues that you are addressing because I have not upgraded iOS to 14 yet. I just wanted to see if I could pull up the rotor while flicktype was in full screen. Can you enlighten me on how to do so. Thank you.
Benny

On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:31 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Joe,



I'll post again what I'm doing to successfully use the latest beta version of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.3. First, let me say that FlickType on iOS 14.3 has the following two problems that I consistently experience:



1. When I begin text entry for example with the Messages app, my default on screen keyboard is US English. . I typically place focus in the text box and double tap to bring up the on screen US English keyboard. I then place my finger on the spacebar in the bottom middle of the screen and slide left past the dictate button until focus is on the next keyboard button. If FlickType is announced as the next keyboard, I should be able to double tap anywhere on the screen to open my FlickType keyboard in full screen mode. However, this does not happen normally. I've been unable to trust the next keyboard that Voiceover speaks as what will open. Instead, when the next keyboard button has focus, I double tap and hold on the screen and slide my finger up until FlickType is spoken and then I release. FlickType will always open in full screen mode when I use this method.

2. In later iOS 13 versions, FlickType would automatically launch in direct touch mode and work as it's supposed to. This is not the case with iOS 14 at least not with my system. I realize these devices have gotten extremely powerful with a wealth of settings that can vary greatly among devices which can affect our results. However, I believe FlickType and iOS 14 have some incompatibility issue which requires users to turn direct touch on in order for FlickType to work correctly, If this is not done, typing with the FlickType keyboard does not work for me and I also can't close the keyboard or switch to a different keyboard. Read below for the steps I use to work around this issue with the minimum number of gestures.



Here is what I do when I'm typing a text message to successfully use FlickType in full screen mode with the least number of gestures:



1. I double tap in the Messages text box to open the on screen US English keyboard which is my default.

2. I place focus in the bottom middle of the screen on the spacebar and slide to the left until the next keyboard button has focus.

3. I single finger double tap and hold and slide my finger up until I hear FlickType and then release.

4. The FlickType keyboard opens in full screen mode.

5. I place my finger in the bottom left corner of the screen where I hear FlickType.

6. I do one rotor clockwise gesture. I do a counter clockwise rotor gesture until I hear direct touch which is usually after only one time. I single finger swipe down once and Voiceover says on.

7. FlickType now types as it should and as it always did under iOS 13.2 or so without all of these direct touch shenanigans.

8. I single finger slide up and hold to close FlickType and return to my default US English keyboard.



I hope the above makes sense to others and works for you as it does for me. Hopefully, one of the upcoming iOS versions will return FlickType functioning to how it used to at the end of iOS 13.



Alan Lemly



-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:00 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party



Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer need it? Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can neither type in it nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing this up, about the different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips to get rid of it from the screen.--Joe



On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly < <mailto:walemly@gmail.com> walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Pete,
I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since
originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard
mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining
vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can
consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.
Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l> https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS
________________________________
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf
of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:
[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or
in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in
one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and
sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having
to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able
to get to certain items in the messages app.
--Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Hi Alan,
Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,
but it didn't at the time.
Best,
Best,Eileent from my iPhone














Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Benny Barber
 

Alan,
I use flicktype in full screen. I have never been able to pull up the rotor when FlickType is open. I wanted to test your instructions with direct touch typing and cannot pull up the rotor. I am running iOS 13.6 on a 6S. Of course I do not have the issues that you are addressing because I have not upgraded iOS to 14 yet. I just wanted to see if I could pull up the rotor while flicktype was in full screen. Can you enlighten me on how to do so. Thank you.
Benny

On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:31 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Joe,



I'll post again what I'm doing to successfully use the latest beta version of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.3. First, let me say that FlickType on iOS 14.3 has the following two problems that I consistently experience:



1. When I begin text entry for example with the Messages app, my default on screen keyboard is US English. . I typically place focus in the text box and double tap to bring up the on screen US English keyboard. I then place my finger on the spacebar in the bottom middle of the screen and slide left past the dictate button until focus is on the next keyboard button. If FlickType is announced as the next keyboard, I should be able to double tap anywhere on the screen to open my FlickType keyboard in full screen mode. However, this does not happen normally. I've been unable to trust the next keyboard that Voiceover speaks as what will open. Instead, when the next keyboard button has focus, I double tap and hold on the screen and slide my finger up until FlickType is spoken and then I release. FlickType will always open in full screen mode when I use this method.

2. In later iOS 13 versions, FlickType would automatically launch in direct touch mode and work as it's supposed to. This is not the case with iOS 14 at least not with my system. I realize these devices have gotten extremely powerful with a wealth of settings that can vary greatly among devices which can affect our results. However, I believe FlickType and iOS 14 have some incompatibility issue which requires users to turn direct touch on in order for FlickType to work correctly, If this is not done, typing with the FlickType keyboard does not work for me and I also can't close the keyboard or switch to a different keyboard. Read below for the steps I use to work around this issue with the minimum number of gestures.



Here is what I do when I'm typing a text message to successfully use FlickType in full screen mode with the least number of gestures:



1. I double tap in the Messages text box to open the on screen US English keyboard which is my default.

2. I place focus in the bottom middle of the screen on the spacebar and slide to the left until the next keyboard button has focus.

3. I single finger double tap and hold and slide my finger up until I hear FlickType and then release.

4. The FlickType keyboard opens in full screen mode.

5. I place my finger in the bottom left corner of the screen where I hear FlickType.

6. I do one rotor clockwise gesture. I do a counter clockwise rotor gesture until I hear direct touch which is usually after only one time. I single finger swipe down once and Voiceover says on.

7. FlickType now types as it should and as it always did under iOS 13.2 or so without all of these direct touch shenanigans.

8. I single finger slide up and hold to close FlickType and return to my default US English keyboard.



I hope the above makes sense to others and works for you as it does for me. Hopefully, one of the upcoming iOS versions will return FlickType functioning to how it used to at the end of iOS 13.



Alan Lemly



-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:00 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party



Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer need it? Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can neither type in it nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing this up, about the different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips to get rid of it from the screen.--Joe



On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly < <mailto:walemly@gmail.com> walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Pete,
I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since
originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard
mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining
vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can
consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.
Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l> https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS
________________________________
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf
of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:
[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or
in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in
one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and
sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having
to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able
to get to certain items in the messages app.
--Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Hi Alan,
Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,
but it didn't at the time.
Best,
Best,Eileent from my iPhone














Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Joe Orozco
 

Hot damn! OK, that finally worked. Here's hoping that setting sticks,
and we dont have to adjust it every time. Thanks for the help!--Joe

On 1/5/21, Alan Lemly <walemly@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Pete,

The majority of on screen keyboarding I do with the standard on screen
keyboard is to enter a password or search term or some such short entry. I
just find it easier to enter this sort of info with the on screen keyboard.
If I'm typing a sentence or more, I'll be using the FlickType full screen
keyboard.

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Peter Torpey
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 9:53 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full
screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working
In 3rd Party

I am curious what prevents you from using flicktype as the default keyboard.
Are you running into other limitations with Flicktype or are there some
tasks that you find easier to do using the standard Apple keyboard?

--pete


-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 7:32 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen
versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd
Party

Hi Joe,



I'll post again what I'm doing to successfully use the latest beta version
of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.3.
First, let me say that FlickType on iOS 14.3 has the following two problems
that I consistently experience:



1. When I begin text entry for example with the Messages app, my
default on screen keyboard is US English. . I typically place focus in the
text box and double tap to bring up the on screen US English keyboard. I
then place my finger on the spacebar in the bottom middle of the screen and
slide left past the dictate button until focus is on the next keyboard
button. If FlickType is announced as the next keyboard, I should be able to
double tap anywhere on the screen to open my FlickType keyboard in full
screen mode. However, this does not happen normally. I've been unable to
trust the next keyboard that Voiceover speaks as what will open. Instead,
when the next keyboard button has focus, I double tap and hold on the screen
and slide my finger up until FlickType is spoken and then I release.
FlickType will always open in full screen mode when I use this method.

2. In later iOS 13 versions, FlickType would automatically launch in
direct touch mode and work as it's supposed to. This is not the case with
iOS 14 at least not with my system. I realize these devices have gotten
extremely powerful with a wealth of settings that can vary greatly among
devices which can affect our results. However, I believe FlickType and iOS
14 have some incompatibility issue which requires users to turn direct touch
on in order for FlickType to work correctly, If this is not done, typing
with the FlickType keyboard does not work for me and I also can't close the
keyboard or switch to a different keyboard. Read below for the steps I use
to work around this issue with the minimum number of gestures.



Here is what I do when I'm typing a text message to successfully use
FlickType in full screen mode with the least number of gestures:



1. I double tap in the Messages text box to open the on screen US
English keyboard which is my default.

2. I place focus in the bottom middle of the screen on the spacebar and
slide to the left until the next keyboard button has focus.

3. I single finger double tap and hold and slide my finger up until I
hear FlickType and then release.

4. The FlickType keyboard opens in full screen mode.

5. I place my finger in the bottom left corner of the screen where I
hear FlickType.

6. I do one rotor clockwise gesture. I do a counter clockwise rotor
gesture until I hear direct touch which is usually after only one time. I
single finger swipe down once and Voiceover says on.

7. FlickType now types as it should and as it always did under iOS 13.2
or so without all of these direct touch shenanigans.

8. I single finger slide up and hold to close FlickType and return to
my default US English keyboard.



I hope the above makes sense to others and works for you as it does for me.
Hopefully, one of the upcoming iOS versions will return FlickType
functioning to how it used to at the end of iOS 13.



Alan Lemly



-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:00 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:
[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party



Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer need it?
Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can neither type in it
nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing this up, about the
different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips to get rid of it from
the screen.--Joe



On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly < <mailto:walemly@gmail.com> walemly@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Pete,
I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since
originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard
mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining
vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can
consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.
Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>
https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS
________________________________
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io <
<mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf
of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io <
<mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:
[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or
in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in
one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and
sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having
to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able
to get to certain items in the messages app.
--Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io <
<mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Hi Alan,
Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,
but it didn't at the time.
Best,
Best,Eileent from my iPhone



























Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

 

Hi Pete,

The majority of on screen keyboarding I do with the standard on screen keyboard is to enter a password or search term or some such short entry. I just find it easier to enter this sort of info with the on screen keyboard. If I'm typing a sentence or more, I'll be using the FlickType full screen keyboard.

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Torpey
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 9:53 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

I am curious what prevents you from using flicktype as the default keyboard. Are you running into other limitations with Flicktype or are there some tasks that you find easier to do using the standard Apple keyboard?

--pete


-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 7:32 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Joe,



I'll post again what I'm doing to successfully use the latest beta version of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.3. First, let me say that FlickType on iOS 14.3 has the following two problems that I consistently experience:



1. When I begin text entry for example with the Messages app, my default on screen keyboard is US English. . I typically place focus in the text box and double tap to bring up the on screen US English keyboard. I then place my finger on the spacebar in the bottom middle of the screen and slide left past the dictate button until focus is on the next keyboard button. If FlickType is announced as the next keyboard, I should be able to double tap anywhere on the screen to open my FlickType keyboard in full screen mode. However, this does not happen normally. I've been unable to trust the next keyboard that Voiceover speaks as what will open. Instead, when the next keyboard button has focus, I double tap and hold on the screen and slide my finger up until FlickType is spoken and then I release. FlickType will always open in full screen mode when I use this method.

2. In later iOS 13 versions, FlickType would automatically launch in direct touch mode and work as it's supposed to. This is not the case with iOS 14 at least not with my system. I realize these devices have gotten extremely powerful with a wealth of settings that can vary greatly among devices which can affect our results. However, I believe FlickType and iOS 14 have some incompatibility issue which requires users to turn direct touch on in order for FlickType to work correctly, If this is not done, typing with the FlickType keyboard does not work for me and I also can't close the keyboard or switch to a different keyboard. Read below for the steps I use to work around this issue with the minimum number of gestures.



Here is what I do when I'm typing a text message to successfully use FlickType in full screen mode with the least number of gestures:



1. I double tap in the Messages text box to open the on screen US English keyboard which is my default.

2. I place focus in the bottom middle of the screen on the spacebar and slide to the left until the next keyboard button has focus.

3. I single finger double tap and hold and slide my finger up until I hear FlickType and then release.

4. The FlickType keyboard opens in full screen mode.

5. I place my finger in the bottom left corner of the screen where I hear FlickType.

6. I do one rotor clockwise gesture. I do a counter clockwise rotor gesture until I hear direct touch which is usually after only one time. I single finger swipe down once and Voiceover says on.

7. FlickType now types as it should and as it always did under iOS 13.2 or so without all of these direct touch shenanigans.

8. I single finger slide up and hold to close FlickType and return to my default US English keyboard.



I hope the above makes sense to others and works for you as it does for me. Hopefully, one of the upcoming iOS versions will return FlickType functioning to how it used to at the end of iOS 13.



Alan Lemly



-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:00 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party



Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer need it? Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can neither type in it nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing this up, about the different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips to get rid of it from the screen.--Joe



On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly < <mailto:walemly@gmail.com> walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Pete,
I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since
originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard
mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining
vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can
consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.
Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l> https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS
________________________________
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf
of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:
[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or
in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in
one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and
sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having
to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able
to get to certain items in the messages app.
--Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Hi Alan,
Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,
but it didn't at the time.
Best,
Best,Eileent from my iPhone


Re: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Peter Torpey
 

I am curious what prevents you from using flicktype as the default keyboard. Are you running into other limitations with Flicktype or are there some tasks that you find easier to do using the standard Apple keyboard?

--pete

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 7:32 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Joe,



I'll post again what I'm doing to successfully use the latest beta version of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.3. First, let me say that FlickType on iOS 14.3 has the following two problems that I consistently experience:



1. When I begin text entry for example with the Messages app, my default on screen keyboard is US English. . I typically place focus in the text box and double tap to bring up the on screen US English keyboard. I then place my finger on the spacebar in the bottom middle of the screen and slide left past the dictate button until focus is on the next keyboard button. If FlickType is announced as the next keyboard, I should be able to double tap anywhere on the screen to open my FlickType keyboard in full screen mode. However, this does not happen normally. I've been unable to trust the next keyboard that Voiceover speaks as what will open. Instead, when the next keyboard button has focus, I double tap and hold on the screen and slide my finger up until FlickType is spoken and then I release. FlickType will always open in full screen mode when I use this method.

2. In later iOS 13 versions, FlickType would automatically launch in direct touch mode and work as it's supposed to. This is not the case with iOS 14 at least not with my system. I realize these devices have gotten extremely powerful with a wealth of settings that can vary greatly among devices which can affect our results. However, I believe FlickType and iOS 14 have some incompatibility issue which requires users to turn direct touch on in order for FlickType to work correctly, If this is not done, typing with the FlickType keyboard does not work for me and I also can't close the keyboard or switch to a different keyboard. Read below for the steps I use to work around this issue with the minimum number of gestures.



Here is what I do when I'm typing a text message to successfully use FlickType in full screen mode with the least number of gestures:



1. I double tap in the Messages text box to open the on screen US English keyboard which is my default.

2. I place focus in the bottom middle of the screen on the spacebar and slide to the left until the next keyboard button has focus.

3. I single finger double tap and hold and slide my finger up until I hear FlickType and then release.

4. The FlickType keyboard opens in full screen mode.

5. I place my finger in the bottom left corner of the screen where I hear FlickType.

6. I do one rotor clockwise gesture. I do a counter clockwise rotor gesture until I hear direct touch which is usually after only one time. I single finger swipe down once and Voiceover says on.

7. FlickType now types as it should and as it always did under iOS 13.2 or so without all of these direct touch shenanigans.

8. I single finger slide up and hold to close FlickType and return to my default US English keyboard.



I hope the above makes sense to others and works for you as it does for me. Hopefully, one of the upcoming iOS versions will return FlickType functioning to how it used to at the end of iOS 13.



Alan Lemly



-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:00 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party



Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer need it? Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can neither type in it nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing this up, about the different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips to get rid of it from the screen.--Joe



On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly < <mailto:walemly@gmail.com> walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Pete,
I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since
originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard
mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining
vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can
consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.
Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l> https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS
________________________________
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf
of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:
[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or
in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in
one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and
sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having
to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able
to get to certain items in the messages app.
--Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Hi Alan,
Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,
but it didn't at the time.
Best,
Best,Eileent from my iPhone


iOS 14 and my FlickType full screen workarounds was RE: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

 

Hi Joe,



I'll post again what I'm doing to successfully use the latest beta version of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.3. First, let me say that FlickType on iOS 14.3 has the following two problems that I consistently experience:



1. When I begin text entry for example with the Messages app, my default on screen keyboard is US English. . I typically place focus in the text box and double tap to bring up the on screen US English keyboard. I then place my finger on the spacebar in the bottom middle of the screen and slide left past the dictate button until focus is on the next keyboard button. If FlickType is announced as the next keyboard, I should be able to double tap anywhere on the screen to open my FlickType keyboard in full screen mode. However, this does not happen normally. I've been unable to trust the next keyboard that Voiceover speaks as what will open. Instead, when the next keyboard button has focus, I double tap and hold on the screen and slide my finger up until FlickType is spoken and then I release. FlickType will always open in full screen mode when I use this method.

2. In later iOS 13 versions, FlickType would automatically launch in direct touch mode and work as it's supposed to. This is not the case with iOS 14 at least not with my system. I realize these devices have gotten extremely powerful with a wealth of settings that can vary greatly among devices which can affect our results. However, I believe FlickType and iOS 14 have some incompatibility issue which requires users to turn direct touch on in order for FlickType to work correctly, If this is not done, typing with the FlickType keyboard does not work for me and I also can't close the keyboard or switch to a different keyboard. Read below for the steps I use to work around this issue with the minimum number of gestures.



Here is what I do when I'm typing a text message to successfully use FlickType in full screen mode with the least number of gestures:



1. I double tap in the Messages text box to open the on screen US English keyboard which is my default.

2. I place focus in the bottom middle of the screen on the spacebar and slide to the left until the next keyboard button has focus.

3. I single finger double tap and hold and slide my finger up until I hear FlickType and then release.

4. The FlickType keyboard opens in full screen mode.

5. I place my finger in the bottom left corner of the screen where I hear FlickType.

6. I do one rotor clockwise gesture. I do a counter clockwise rotor gesture until I hear direct touch which is usually after only one time. I single finger swipe down once and Voiceover says on.

7. FlickType now types as it should and as it always did under iOS 13.2 or so without all of these direct touch shenanigans.

8. I single finger slide up and hold to close FlickType and return to my default US English keyboard.



I hope the above makes sense to others and works for you as it does for me. Hopefully, one of the upcoming iOS versions will return FlickType functioning to how it used to at the end of iOS 13.



Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:00 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party



Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer need it? Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can neither type in it nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing this up, about the different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips to get rid of it from the screen.--Joe



On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly < <mailto:walemly@gmail.com> walemly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Pete,
I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since
originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard
mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining
vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can
consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.
Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone with Outlook< <https://aka.ms/qtex0l> https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS
________________________________
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf
of Peter Torpey < <mailto:ptorpey00@gmail.com> ptorpey00@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE:
[FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or
in the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in
one mode than another? I have never used the full screen mode and
sometimes run into issues with the normal mode, especially with having
to constantly switch to direct touch mode and sometimes not being able
to get to certain items in the messages app.
--Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io < <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM
To: <mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io> hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
Hi Alan,
Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior,
but it didn't at the time.
Best,
Best,Eileent from my iPhone


Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Joe Orozco
 

Wait, is this why I struggle to dismiss Flicktype when I no longer
need it? Somoetimes the Flicktype gets into this space where I can
neither type in it nor dismiss it from my screen. Thanks for bringing
this up, about the different modes, and thanks in advance for any tips
to get rid of it from the screen.--Joe

On 1/4/21, Alan Lemly <walemly@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Pete,

I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since originally
that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard mode but I find
full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining vision. And I've
finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can consistently turn on direct touch
with a minimum of gestures.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS
________________________________
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of
Peter Torpey <ptorpey00@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType]
App Not Working In 3rd Party

Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or in
the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in one mode
than another? I have never used the full screen mode and sometimes run
into
issues with the normal mode, especially with having to constantly switch to
direct touch mode and sometimes not being able to get to certain items in
the messages app.

--Pete


-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior, but it
didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone
















Re: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

 

Hi Pete,

I've pretty much used Flicktype in the full screen mode since originally that was the only mode available. I have used the keyboard mode but I find full screen more convenient with my bit of remaining vision. And I've finally mastered its iOS 14 quirks and can consistently turn on direct touch with a minimum of gestures.

Alan Lemly 

with Outlook for iOS


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of Peter Torpey <ptorpey00@...>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:34:55 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
 
Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or in
the normal mode.  Is the performance or useability more robust in one mode
than another?  I have never used the full screen mode and sometimes run into
issues with the normal mode, especially with having to constantly switch to
direct touch mode and sometimes not being able to get to certain items in
the messages app.

--Pete


-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior, but it
didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone











Full screen versus non full screen mode: - was - RE: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Peter Torpey
 

Just wondering if most people use Flicktype in the full screen mode or in
the normal mode. Is the performance or useability more robust in one mode
than another? I have never used the full screen mode and sometimes run into
issues with the normal mode, especially with having to constantly switch to
direct touch mode and sometimes not being able to get to certain items in
the messages app.

--Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 11:02 AM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior, but it
didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone


Re: App Not Working In 3rd Party

Eileen Misrahi
 

Hi Alan,

Thanks. That seemed to work this time. I did try that method prior, but it didn't at the time.

Best,

Best,Eileent from my iPhone


Re: App Not Working In 3rd Party

 

Hi Eileen,

Place focus on the messages text box and double tap anywhere on the screen. This should open your default on screen keyboard. Touch in the bottom middle of the screen to the spacebar and slide left past the dictation button to the next keyboard button and with focus on the next keyboard button, double tap and hold and single finger slide up until FlickType is announced and then release. The FlickType keyboard will be the displayed keyboard or if you have your settings in Flicktype full screen mode, the entire screen will be in FlickType mode.

I hope this helps.

Alan Lemly 

with Outlook for iOS


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of Eileen Misrahi <eileen.misrahi@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 3:54:04 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: [FlickType] App Not Working In 3rd Party
 
Hello,

I hope someone can help me out. I know this was discussed with the iOS 14 update. However, I am using iOS 13.6.1, with an 6S. For example, I open the native Message app, I have FlickType listed, but when tapped on, it is skipped over and doesn’t open. Please advise on how I can fix this.

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Eileen






App Not Working In 3rd Party

Eileen Misrahi
 

Hello,

I hope someone can help me out. I know this was discussed with the iOS 14 update. However, I am using iOS 13.6.1, with an 6S. For example, I open the native Message app, I have FlickType listed, but when tapped on, it is skipped over and doesn’t open. Please advise on how I can fix this.

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Eileen


Re: Dictionary entries

 

Leonard,

 

There is a setting in FlickType under the Other heading called Automatically learn new words. This is a switch that must be turned on if you want this feature.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 6:34 PM
To: Flick Type
Subject: [FlickType] Dictionary entries

 

I thought new words were to be added to the dictionary automatically this does not seem to be happening that way.  for example the word app never gets added  I have to always

 

type it manually. Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.


Re: Dictionary entries

Jessica D
 

Hi,
I'm running the beta of 14.4 on both my phone and ipad. 

The braille screen input issue still persists, but its not as bad as it was. 
Flicktype still won't work, unless you enable direct touch, which still must be done every time you wish to use the app. 

I'm honestly not sure how best to describe that issue when writing a bug report. 

Thanks,
Jessica



On Dec 16, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Peter Torpey <ptorpey00@...> wrote:



Are bugs still being addressed for FlickType these days?  With the new OS some functions seem not to be working any more and I wonder if the issues might be addressed in the future.

 

 

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 5:34 PM
To: Flick Type <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: [FlickType] Dictionary entries

 

I thought new words were to be added to the dictionary automatically this does not seem to be happening that way.  for example the word app never gets added  I have to always

 

type it manually. Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.


Re: Dictionary entries

Peter Torpey
 

Are bugs still being addressed for FlickType these days?  With the new OS some functions seem not to be working any more and I wonder if the issues might be addressed in the future.

 

 

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 5:34 PM
To: Flick Type <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: [FlickType] Dictionary entries

 

I thought new words were to be added to the dictionary automatically this does not seem to be happening that way.  for example the word app never gets added  I have to always

 

type it manually. Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.


Dictionary entries

leonard morris
 

I thought new words were to be added to the dictionary automatically this does not seem to be happening that way.  for example the word app never gets added  I have to always


type it manually. Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.


Using FlickType successfully in full screen mode with iOS 14.x and minimum keystrokes

 

Hi List,

 

I said I'd report back after testing the current beta of FlickType in full screen mode on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.2. First, let me say that I leave my keyboard set to English US with touch typing as the default mode. I find this setting is easiest for inputting short text such as user names and passwords or for quick searches. Second, I primarily use the FlickType keyboard when I'm typing either text messages or emails on my iPhone. If I need to input something longer than these, I'll use my computer's full sized keyboard and transfer the input to my iPhone using the KeyWi keyboard. Finally, ever since upgrading to iOS 14, the FlickType keyboard does not respond when launched in full screen mode when you start tapping keys to enter text. In my case, if I immediately start tapping keys on its launch, no tap sound feedback is provided and I'll get a funny audio sound sort of like the iPhone is burping.

 

After extensive testing with the Messages app, the following steps work best for me to get FlickType typing correctly in full screen mode:

 

1.   Place focus in the text box and double tap to make sure the on screen keyboard has launched.

2.   Find by touch the Next keyboard button in the lower left of your screen and double tap and hold and slide your finger up until FlickType is announced and then release.

3.   You will be in FlickType full screen mode. To activate Direct touch so that FlickType works correctly, do the rotor turn gesture once either clockwise or counterclockwise and immediately do it once again in the opposite direction. Direct touch should be announced and single finger swipe down once to turn it on.

4.   FlickType should now work as it has in prior versions of iOS.

5.   To exit out of full screen mode, single finger slide up the screen and you'll be returned to the US English on screen keyboard for sending your message.

 

Someone posted here that turning Voiceover off and back on would turn on Direct touch so that FlickType would work correctly but this was not my experience. Remember that your results may vary based on your device and its settings.

 

I realize that the above requires a few steps that hopefully will be reduced in future iOS versions. In any event, these steps provide the minimum number of taps and gestures needed to get FlickType working in full screen mode under iOS 14.x.

 

Take care and stay safe.

 

Alan Lemly


Re: Unable to hear alternate word selections

 

Shawn,

 

Many thanks for this suggestion. The next time I'm typing on my iPhone using FlickType in full screen mode, I'll turn Voiceover off and back on and see what difference this makes. I'll report back to the list tomorrow.

 

Alan

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 8:35 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Unable to hear alternate word selections

 

Hi Alan. I use FlickType in standard mode here and the direct touch issue is present on my SE 2020 running the beta of iOS 14.3. Direct touch has nothing to do with your typing mode. It's supposed to work in self voicing games as well but like FlickType, you have to turn direct touch on in order to play the game without having to turn off Voiceover. Back to the issue with Flicktype, when you're trying to type using the keyboard, when Voiceover says you're in FlickType, turn Voiceover off and back on again. That'll resolve the issue when you use it once or twice.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
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On Dec 10, 2020, at 7:07 AM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:

 

Hi Chuck,

 

Thanks for that tip but I use my phone locked in portrait mode and don't expect I'll be changing my ways at this stage of the game.

 

I'll try your suggestion of removing typing mode from the rotor since I already have touch typing set as my default under Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Typing. I really don't think that will change anything because FlickType is supposed to automatically do whatever is needed with direct touch when typing with it and something with iOS 14 is apparently messing it up.

 

Alan 

 

with Outlook for iOS


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of Chuck Dean <cadean329@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 11:58:54 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Unable to hear alternate word selections

 

Hello Ellen,

Just an FYI, if you use FlickType in the standard mode, when you turn it into landscape, it goes to full screen. That’s how are use it, and it works quite well.

 

Chuck  (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 



On Dec 9, 2020, at 10:54 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:

Yes, that's one of the issues with FlickType and the full screen keyboard. The dismiss gesture and none of the tapped keys register unless you first rotor to direct touch and turn it on. Even with this Direct touch issue, I find I prefer typing in full screen mode because the typed words appear much larger and I'm better able to use my bit of remaining vision.  This benefit outweighs the cost of the local app being off screen since once full screen FlickType is dismissed, the local app is present with the FlickType entered text in place.

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Torpey
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 9:18 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Unable to hear alternate word selections

I am using the Standard Flicktype keyboard.

I tried the Full Screen keyboard but couldnt even dismiss it with the flick down and hold gesture.  So I switched back.  Besides, with the full screen keyboard I couldnt see any of the app on the screen with VoiceOver.

--Pete


-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 7:13 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Unable to hear alternate word selections

Hi Pete,

I'm not having your same issue with the latest FlickType beta but I have my FlickType setting to use full screen. I don't believe you mention whether you're using full screen or not. The continuing issue I have with FlickType with both Mail and Messages where I use it 99% of the time is the need to activate direct touch each time I launch the FlickType keyboard. If I don't do this, tapping on the keyboard does nothing. When Direct touch is activated, typing works fine and all the predicted words are spoken as well as other choices when I single finger flick down. I just get tired of having to rotor to Direct touch and turn it on every time I go to the full screen FlickType keyboard.

Good luck with resolving your issue.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Torpey
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 1:56 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: [FlickType] Unable to hear alternate word selections

I brought up this issue in the Test flight beta feedback on my iPhone, but I can write a better and more detailed report on my PC.  So here goes...

My System:
iPhone Xr
iOS 14.2
VoiceOver
Latest Flicktype beta

Problems:  typing seems to work fine in the Flicktype app itself, but not when using apps such as Messages, or Mail.

1.  Create a text message or start a new e-mail message and activate the edit field for the message body.
2.  Type a word and flick right.  Flicktype speaks the word that was entered, as it should.
3.  Assume that we want to change this word.  So we flick down through the various suggestions.
4.  Instead of speaking the alternate suggestions in the list as it should, Flicktype merely says "space".
5.  If I now flick left to delete the last entered word, Flicktype speaks one of the alternate suggestions.  Thus it seems that Flicktype is actually moving through the list of alternate words when flicking down but not speaking these words.

Note: This bug only seems to occur when in the Messages and Mail apps, but not the main flicktype app.  When in the main Flicktype app the alternate words are spoken as one flicks down.

Hope that is clear.

--pete
























 


Re: Unable to hear alternate word selections

Peter Torpey
 

Not good.  How can this be fixed?

 

 

From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 7:35 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Unable to hear alternate word selections

 

Hi Alan. I use FlickType in standard mode here and the direct touch issue is present on my SE 2020 running the beta of iOS 14.3. Direct touch has nothing to do with your typing mode. It's supposed to work in self voicing games as well but like FlickType, you have to turn direct touch on in order to play the game without having to turn off Voiceover. Back to the issue with Flicktype, when you're trying to type using the keyboard, when Voiceover says you're in FlickType, turn Voiceover off and back on again. That'll resolve the issue when you use it once or twice.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
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On Dec 10, 2020, at 7:07 AM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:

 

Hi Chuck,

 

Thanks for that tip but I use my phone locked in portrait mode and don't expect I'll be changing my ways at this stage of the game.

 

I'll try your suggestion of removing typing mode from the rotor since I already have touch typing set as my default under Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Typing. I really don't think that will change anything because FlickType is supposed to automatically do whatever is needed with direct touch when typing with it and something with iOS 14 is apparently messing it up.

 

Alan 

 

with Outlook for iOS


From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> on behalf of Chuck Dean <cadean329@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 11:58:54 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Unable to hear alternate word selections

 

Hello Ellen,

Just an FYI, if you use FlickType in the standard mode, when you turn it into landscape, it goes to full screen. That’s how are use it, and it works quite well.

 

Chuck  (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 



On Dec 9, 2020, at 10:54 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:

Yes, that's one of the issues with FlickType and the full screen keyboard. The dismiss gesture and none of the tapped keys register unless you first rotor to direct touch and turn it on. Even with this Direct touch issue, I find I prefer typing in full screen mode because the typed words appear much larger and I'm better able to use my bit of remaining vision.  This benefit outweighs the cost of the local app being off screen since once full screen FlickType is dismissed, the local app is present with the FlickType entered text in place.

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Torpey
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 9:18 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Unable to hear alternate word selections

I am using the Standard Flicktype keyboard.

I tried the Full Screen keyboard but couldnt even dismiss it with the flick down and hold gesture.  So I switched back.  Besides, with the full screen keyboard I couldnt see any of the app on the screen with VoiceOver.

--Pete


-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io <hello@flicktype.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 7:13 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: Re: [FlickType] Unable to hear alternate word selections

Hi Pete,

I'm not having your same issue with the latest FlickType beta but I have my FlickType setting to use full screen. I don't believe you mention whether you're using full screen or not. The continuing issue I have with FlickType with both Mail and Messages where I use it 99% of the time is the need to activate direct touch each time I launch the FlickType keyboard. If I don't do this, tapping on the keyboard does nothing. When Direct touch is activated, typing works fine and all the predicted words are spoken as well as other choices when I single finger flick down. I just get tired of having to rotor to Direct touch and turn it on every time I go to the full screen FlickType keyboard.

Good luck with resolving your issue.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: hello@flicktype.groups.io [mailto:hello@flicktype.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Torpey
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 1:56 PM
To: hello@flicktype.groups.io
Subject: [FlickType] Unable to hear alternate word selections

I brought up this issue in the Test flight beta feedback on my iPhone, but I can write a better and more detailed report on my PC.  So here goes...

My System:
iPhone Xr
iOS 14.2
VoiceOver
Latest Flicktype beta

Problems:  typing seems to work fine in the Flicktype app itself, but not when using apps such as Messages, or Mail.

1.  Create a text message or start a new e-mail message and activate the edit field for the message body.
2.  Type a word and flick right.  Flicktype speaks the word that was entered, as it should.
3.  Assume that we want to change this word.  So we flick down through the various suggestions.
4.  Instead of speaking the alternate suggestions in the list as it should, Flicktype merely says "space".
5.  If I now flick left to delete the last entered word, Flicktype speaks one of the alternate suggestions.  Thus it seems that Flicktype is actually moving through the list of alternate words when flicking down but not speaking these words.

Note: This bug only seems to occur when in the Messages and Mail apps, but not the main flicktype app.  When in the main Flicktype app the alternate words are spoken as one flicks down.

Hope that is clear.

--pete
























 

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